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« Reply #3206 on: January 10, 2022, 09:09:15 AM »
Casey Thompson is a fantastic QB. He was wasted (as anyone would have been) behind the Longhorn tissue paper OL. 
He's not what Sark is looking for, though. Ewers and Card are his preferred types. I'm not throwing Hudson Card away at the moment. He was thrown in against some really ugly stuff. If we didn't break him Garrett Gilbert style, he's got a good chance. Of course, there's also a decent chance he's been recruited over.
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« Reply #3207 on: January 10, 2022, 11:33:31 PM »
gonna have to be fantastic to save Frost's hide next season
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« Reply #3208 on: January 11, 2022, 11:39:58 AM »
As always, QB play depends largely on o-line play.  How are your trench ponies?
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« Reply #3209 on: January 12, 2022, 11:37:17 AM »
they suck

Martinez may have been the QB Frost thought he was with a solid O-line and therefore a solid running game from RBs
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« Reply #3210 on: January 12, 2022, 11:57:51 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 11, 2022, 11:39:58 AM
As always, QB play depends largely on o-line play.  How are your trench ponies?
I think tihs nearly always is true, but a few elite QBs can manage with an average OL.  Bryce Young would be an extant example.
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« Reply #3211 on: January 12, 2022, 12:24:39 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 12, 2022, 11:57:51 AM
I think tihs nearly always is true, but a few elite QBs can manage with an average OL.  Bryce Young would be an extant example.

I'm hoping your statement is correct, for no other reason than Bama's line shouldn't have been "average". The talent on their roster should have their OL "exceptional" or "elite". 
If they weren't up to their usual standard (and I don't see that they were), then I want it to be because the OL coach is now on Texas' sidelines. I've got transformative playmakers on the field - if the OL can keep the QB upright till 4-Mississippi.
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« Reply #3212 on: January 12, 2022, 01:22:40 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 12, 2022, 11:57:51 AM
I think tihs nearly always is true, but a few elite QBs can manage with an average OL.  Bryce Young would be an extant example.


Sure.  But even the most elite QBs can't do anything with trash o-lines.

Vince Young's o-lines were very good.  Most of those guys played on Sundays for several years.

But with our o-line from last year?  He'd have been running for his life on almost every single play.
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« Reply #3213 on: January 12, 2022, 02:37:59 PM »
A great QB may do about as well with an average OL as a very good one, perhaps an elite OL makes him even better, slightly?   I'm not sure, no way to test, but we've all watched elite QBs with otherwise mundane OLs be elite.  It also helps to have a great RB tandem with said elite OL, there you can't do much unless you are Barry.

And of course elite WRs can pull bacon from fire.  And TEs.  Maybe it's a team sport ...

We just saw a pretty unheralded QB win the NC and I didn't think the OL was elite at all, better than mediocre, but not elite.

It would be interesting to see Joe Burrow with a mediocre OL, he had one of the greatest years I've ever seen.  Did LSU have a great OL?  Does Cincinnati?
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« Reply #3214 on: January 12, 2022, 02:47:49 PM »
Any team getting into the CFP has at least an average o-line.  It's simply not going to happen with trash o-line, no matter who's behind center.
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« Reply #3215 on: January 12, 2022, 06:13:48 PM »
Yeah, but a lot of OLs are about average for decent teams (not like G5s).  I think the Dawgs had a slightly better than average OL for P5 teams.  Some of this is scheme and technique of course.

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« Reply #3216 on: January 18, 2022, 03:49:57 PM »
so it looks like the Big 12 is going to formally go to 2 7 team division starting in 2023

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-engaged-in-plans-to-split-into-two-seven-team-divisions-beginning-in-2023-amid-realignment/


so is it assuming too much to think UTs and OUs first sec season will be 2023
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« Reply #3217 on: January 18, 2022, 04:45:05 PM »
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« Reply #3218 on: January 18, 2022, 04:53:41 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on January 18, 2022, 03:49:57 PM
so it looks like the Big 12 is going to formally go to 2 7 team division starting in 2023

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-engaged-in-plans-to-split-into-two-seven-team-divisions-beginning-in-2023-amid-realignment/


so is it assuming too much to think UTs and OUs first sec season will be 2023

No.  The plan was to start SEC play in 2022, but the lawyers have dragged things out enough, that it's going to slip back to 2023. 

Texas and OU will not ever be part of a 14-team B12.  Not sure what other schools they think will join to get to 14.
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« Reply #3219 on: January 18, 2022, 07:47:32 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 18, 2022, 04:53:41 PM
No.  The plan was to start SEC play in 2022, but the lawyers have dragged things out enough, that it's going to slip back to 2023.

Texas and OU will not ever be part of a 14-team B12.  Not sure what other schools they think will join to get to 14.
I'm not asserting you are wrong about this, but, FWIW, the OU writers here are thinking that it's going to take longer, and that the 14-team will involve OU and Texas (in different divisions) for a year or two.
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