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« Reply #2772 on: September 20, 2021, 12:33:30 PM »
Mrs. Droog has a Texas Law degree to go with her Baylor undergrad. That said, she's a Baylor fan first, second, and third.

She's being unreasonably closed minded about my well thought out and supported explanations about how Texas and OU had no real choice but to go to the SEC.

I haven't even brought up the part about how, if she likes Dave Aranda so much, she can cheer for LSU next season!

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« Reply #2773 on: September 20, 2021, 12:53:58 PM »
I was hoping that if LSU <= 7 wins this season they'd pull Chris Petersen out of retirement.  I mean, I know he says he's a west coast guy but you at least back up the Brinks Truck to his front porch and make him say no.  

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« Reply #2774 on: September 20, 2021, 01:00:31 PM »
I posted my review of "Hamilton" in FB and got some interesting responses, basically saying I didn't  give it a fair shot.

I get a sense it's socially unacceptable to dislike that play.  I don't care, I didn't like it, at all.  It's just amusing to get told my opinion is wrong on something so subjective.

Of course, I tend to stir pots at times.

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« Reply #2775 on: September 20, 2021, 01:49:06 PM »
I posted my review of "Hamilton" in FB and got some interesting responses, basically saying I didn't  give it a fair shot.

I get a sense it's socially unacceptable to dislike that play.  I don't care, I didn't like it, at all.  It's just amusing to get told my opinion is wrong on something so subjective.

Of course, I tend to stir pots at times.
I haven't seen the whole thing, but every other teacher workshop I've attended in the last couple of years has featured a presentation on how to use Hamilton in the classroom.
I don't like rap "music," so that's one strike against it.  I don't like how it has become a cudgel in the culture wars, so there's strike two.  Hamilton is shaky on the history, as any Broadway production would be, so . . . strike three.
It's interesting how having actors of color play historical roles of people who were white is a signal of creativity and virtue.
OTOH, having actors of whiteness play Asian or Native-American roles is a signal of racism, theft, and cultural oppression.
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« Reply #2776 on: September 20, 2021, 01:51:47 PM »
Y'all just need to get woke.




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« Reply #2777 on: September 20, 2021, 01:55:10 PM »
I wanted to leave after ten minutes, seriously, it was, for me, that bad.  I'm not talking about cultural this or race that, I just hated the show.  I couldn't understand whatever they were saying and quit trying to follow along.  I tried to sleep during the first part of it.  One of my kids thought it was pretty bad also, she said it was "interesting" and then that she didn't enjoy it.  The other kids said he liked it.  The wife had mixed comments.

I just found it interesting that my negative comments were taken as being insensitive or something, by some, or the fact someone else liked it meant I had to be wrong.

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« Reply #2778 on: September 20, 2021, 01:56:08 PM »
Y'all just need to get woke.
For sure, it's a "thing" apparently.  I try and be who I am, not who someone else thinks I should be.  It's hard enough being me without trying to be someone else.

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« Reply #2779 on: September 20, 2021, 02:02:13 PM »
I wanted to leave after ten minutes, seriously, it was, for me, that bad.  I'm not talking about cultural this or race that, I just hated the show.  I couldn't understand whatever they were saying and quit trying to follow along.  I tried to sleep during the first part of it.  One of my kids thought it was pretty bad also, she said it was "interesting" and then that she didn't enjoy it.  The other kids said he liked it.  The wife had mixed comments.

I just found it interesting that my negative comments were taken as being insensitive or something, by some, or the fact someone else liked it meant I had to be wrong.

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It's problematic that this person accuses you of going in with a closed mind, but then mentions that you must not have liked the musical style, and that's an acceptable answer.

They belie their second point with their first, but that's not even what's problematic.

This play is a musical.  If you don't like the musical style, then it follows that you're not going to like the musical.  And since we're talking about art, and various interpretations of art and various views of appreciation for art, it's completely okay not to like the style of music, or the musical. It should be embraced and encouraged to have your own opinion of art.

My parents love musicals and hate hard rock or acid rock music.  They think the musical Tommy sucks.  I don't, but I totally understand why they do, because they vehemently dislike that style of music.

It's art and there's nothing wrong with their opinions.  If we all liked the exact same art, what a boring world this would be.

BUT-- the musical Tommy isn't a racially charged piece aimed pointedly at embracing and invigorating woke culture.  Hamilton, is.


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« Reply #2780 on: September 20, 2021, 02:26:32 PM »
"Hamilton" is like 6 years old now. I say that just because it means expectations for first time viewers are likely inflated.

Alexander Hamilton was a pretty well sidelined guy before Lin Manuel Miranda picked up his lengthy biography. He was in the history books, but sort of one of the "cast of others" hanging around George Washington, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson when we launched the nation. Some knew about his duel with Aaron Burr, but few knew what it was about.

White people have never been marginalized in the theater. The writers are usually white guys telling white guy stories to white guy audiences. The financiers and theater owners are usually white guys. The "important" figures in our history are, of course, white guys, so the subject matter created about them is abundant. In short, the White America voice in the theater has been, and continues to be, strong. Nothing inherently wrong about this, but it's kind of limiting.

LMM put together a real creative piece. There's a TON of words ("Guns and Ships" hits 6.3 words per second) coming at you real fast. The interplay is brilliant. Kind of like, but for different reasons, it's helpful to read Shakespeare before seeing the plays performed (it helps if your brain doesn't have to de-tangle Shakespearean English while enjoying it), hearing "Hamilton"'s soundtrack a few times leaves you freer to be in the moment with the production.

I mentioned "Hamilton" has been around a while. Like "Les Miserables", the theater world is pretty well sick of it. It's beaten to death. I don't know where it's still being performed, but there's a good chance the cast wasn't very peppy.

Now, we're all busy bashing "In the Heights" for not being authentic enough Afro-Caribbean.

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« Reply #2781 on: September 20, 2021, 02:31:30 PM »
I don't enjoy musicals that are movies, none of them.  I can abide a few of them where the singing is part of the gig, like SOM.  I never have liked them.  

I really like classical music, most of it, which many find "boring", which is OK with me.  I mostly was amused that my negative opinion elicited such reactions from some.

The audience at Hamilton was 90% white and at least half over 50 from what I could see.  The audience at the symphonies we attend is 90+% white and much older.  I do see more younger folks in Atlanta than in Cincinnati.

Cincinnati has a fabulous venue built in 1885 or so, and we got to know the conductor, a really neat French dude.  Atlanta's venue is more modern, circa 1960 or so, and not really very welcoming, and the acoustics are not great.


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« Reply #2782 on: September 20, 2021, 02:33:16 PM »
I keep an eye out for plays at the local theater, but they all seem very modern and I'm not sure I'd like them.


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« Reply #2783 on: September 20, 2021, 02:34:24 PM »
"Hamilton" is like 6 years old now. I say that just because it means expectations for first time viewers are likely inflated.

Alexander Hamilton was a pretty well sidelined guy before Lin Manuel Miranda picked up his lengthy biography. He was in the history books, but sort of one of the "cast of others" hanging around George Washington, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson when we launched the nation. Some knew about his duel with Aaron Burr, but few knew what it was about.

White people have never been marginalized in the theater. The writers are usually white guys telling white guy stories to white guy audiences. The financiers and theater owners are usually white guys. The "important" figures in our history are, of course, white guys, so the subject matter created about them is abundant. In short, the White America voice in the theater has been, and continues to be, strong. Nothing inherently wrong about this, but it's kind of limiting.

LMM put together a real creative piece. There's a TON of words ("Guns and Ships" hits 6.3 words per second) coming at you real fast. The interplay is brilliant. Kind of like, but for different reasons, it's helpful to read Shakespeare before seeing the plays performed (it helps if your brain doesn't have to de-tangle Shakespearean English while enjoying it), hearing "Hamilton"'s soundtrack a few times leaves you freer to be in the moment with the production.

I mentioned "Hamilton" has been around a while. Like "Les Miserables", the theater world is pretty well sick of it. It's beaten to death. I don't know where it's still being performed, but there's a good chance the cast wasn't very peppy.

Now, we're all busy bashing "In the Heights" for not being authentic enough Afro-Caribbean.

Mostly true, except I don't think the theater community is tired of Hamilton.  Broadway might be, but Broadway gets tired of anything that's more than 3 weeks old.  

From what I see, the general theater community is still quite taken with Hamilton.  Every high school theater group out there is trying to do it, and every local avid theater-goer is gushing over this traveling company that's currently performing.

But overall, I agree with what you're saying about the musical itself.  But it's still okay not to like it.

Moreover, it's okay not to like it because you don't like the style of music.

It's also okay to dislike Tommy because you don't like acid rock.

And it's okay to dislike My Fair Lady because you don't like the traditional theatrical musical style.

But expressing dislike for Tommy or My Fair Lady, is not treated the same as expressing dislike for Hamilton.

Pretty obvious from our discussion here, precisely why that is.

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« Reply #2784 on: September 20, 2021, 02:35:45 PM »
I guess this means I'm a racist and not woke.

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« Reply #2785 on: September 20, 2021, 02:42:34 PM »
I don't enjoy musicals that are movies, none of them.  I can abide a few of them where the singing is part of the gig, like SOM.  I never have liked them. 

I really like classical music, most of it, which many find "boring", which is OK with me.  I mostly was amused that my negative opinion elicited such reactions from some.

The audience at Hamilton was 90% white and at least half over 50 from what I could see.  The audience at the symphonies we attend is 90+% white and much older.  I do see more younger folks in Atlanta than in Cincinnati.

Cincinnati has a fabulous venue built in 1885 or so, and we got to know the conductor, a really neat French dude.  Atlanta's venue is more modern, circa 1960 or so, and not really very welcoming, and the acoustics are not great.


I cant think of any successful musical that wasnt made into a movie

hard to believe you dont like the movie version West Side Story or South Pacific
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