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Topic: The Porch, y'all. pull up a seat and kick back.

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« Reply #1848 on: June 15, 2020, 03:54:49 PM »
you didnt answer my question
I don't think CD answered your question because he was more responding to Tulip's discussion points.  I'm not sure why you'd get so hostile with him?

For me, I don't think there's anything to be done about it, so I'm not going to bother arguing about it.

I have indeed let del Conte know my thoughts in an email to him.  They were similar to what droog already posted.  At some point I'll likely let the Regents know as well.

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« Reply #1849 on: June 15, 2020, 03:55:50 PM »
good for you, I assume many others have done the same

if you are a donor of substance, your opinion might carry some weight
Ain't that the truth.  I am NOT a donor of substance do I don't anticipate my opinion on the matter to carry much weight.

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« Reply #1850 on: June 15, 2020, 04:56:34 PM »
Ain't that the truth.  I am NOT a donor of substance do I don't anticipate my opinion on the matter to carry much weight.

If they actually abolish the playing id the Eyes of Texas Im gonna become a sooner or aggie fan

This really bothers me
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« Reply #1851 on: June 15, 2020, 05:01:42 PM »
What is exactly is racist about "The Eyes of Texas"?  I mean, I heard that they sang it in black face 100 years ago?  Oh MY GOD!  Seriously, I agree with 320.  Give and inch and they'll take a mile.  

They are trying to remove the statue of Sully at A&M because he fought for the confederacy. How many Texans fought for the confederacy for that matter?  

The sad part is that America inherited slavery, it was brought here by the Europeans.  

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« Reply #1852 on: June 15, 2020, 05:13:33 PM »
The Eyes of Texas was parodying a Texas president who constantly paraphrased Robert E. Lee saying, "The eyes of the South are upon you!". It definitely originally referred to the Confederacy.

Here we have a symptom of the problem. White people can't tell black people that they're being offended by something that shouldn't offend them. If you've heard the term "white privilege", this is an excellent example. The origin of the song might not offend white people, but the black students are saying it does offend them.

The song might not need to go. Maybe, after discussion and acknowledgement, an understanding can be achieved. I think that understanding is extremely unlikely if white people start by dismissing the concern out of hand.

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« Reply #1853 on: June 15, 2020, 05:14:48 PM »
What is exactly is racist about "The Eyes of Texas"?  I mean, I heard that they sang it in black face 100 years ago?  Oh MY GOD!  Seriously, I agree with 320.  Give and inch and they'll take a mile. 

They are trying to remove the statue of Sully at A&M because he fought for the confederacy. How many Texans fought for the confederacy for that matter? 

The sad part is that America inherited slavery, it was brought here by the Europeans. 
This will explain why the song is considered racist


https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/texas/eyes-of-texas-lyrics-racist-undertones-explained/285-d1929725-99a9-4013-8c4b-9c88e0c9312f

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hat a stretch
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« Reply #1854 on: June 15, 2020, 05:22:27 PM »
The Eyes of Texas was parodying a Texas president who constantly paraphrased Robert E. Lee saying, "The eyes of the South are upon you!". It definitely originally referred to the Confederacy.

Here we have a symptom of the problem. White people can't tell black people that they're being offended by something that shouldn't offend them. If you've heard the term "white privilege", this is an excellent example. The origin of the song might not offend white people, but the black students are saying it does offend them.

The song might not need to go. Maybe, after discussion and acknowledgement, an understanding can be achieved. I think that understanding is extremely unlikely if white people start by dismissing the concern out of hand.
Id be willing to bet not one of the black athletes objecting to this song had any idea it was tied to some words spoken by Robert E Lee until an organizer told them it did

This is such a reach 

I hope we dont bow to this manufactured racism complaint
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« Reply #1855 on: June 15, 2020, 05:44:56 PM »
I'm pretty sure Vince Young and most other black ball players enjoyed and supported the singing of the Eyes after games

apparently all those players were ignorant?
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« Reply #1856 on: June 15, 2020, 06:19:53 PM »
The Eyes of Texas was parodying a Texas president who constantly paraphrased Robert E. Lee saying, "The eyes of the South are upon you!". It definitely originally referred to the Confederacy.

Here we have a symptom of the problem. White people can't tell black people that they're being offended by something that shouldn't offend them. If you've heard the term "white privilege", this is an excellent example. The origin of the song might not offend white people, but the black students are saying it does offend them.

The song might not need to go. Maybe, after discussion and acknowledgement, an understanding can be achieved. I think that understanding is extremely unlikely if white people start by dismissing the concern out of hand.
Someone on surlyhorns suggested altering and updating the song, rather than abandoning it altogether.  He even suggested some really good lyrics that put inclusiveness at the forefront, but in a way that wasn't overly cheesy.  I liked his version and would be happy to sing it.


I'm pretty sure Vince Young and most other black ball players enjoyed and supported the singing of the Eyes after games

apparently all those players were ignorant?

I don't know about Vince Young specifically, but some former players have definitely reached out to the current players to have a conversation about what the song means to them.

We are continuously being told we need to "listen" to what the minorities are saying.  We'll see if they're willing to do the same.

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« Reply #1857 on: June 15, 2020, 06:36:45 PM »
Someone on surlyhorns suggested altering and updating the song, rather than abandoning it altogether.  He even suggested some really good lyrics that put inclusiveness at the forefront, but in a way that wasn't overly cheesy.  I liked his version and would be happy to sing it.


I don't know about Vince Young specifically, but some former players have definitely reached out to the current players to have a conversation about what the song means to them.

We are continuously being told we need to "listen" to what the minorities are saying.  We'll see if they're willing to do the same.
good comments utee
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« Reply #1858 on: June 15, 2020, 08:29:34 PM »
so is there some point that you would stand up and say no we arent going to do that or are you guys simply going to keep bowing down and say please sir may I have another
Here's where I am on that, 320.
As TAFKAD said, you have to take each case on its merits.  If you base everything on "what will 'they' demand next," you end up defending the indefensible.
At a national level, you can't defend Jefferson Davis just because you think that "they" will next demand that Lincoln statues have to come down too, and that Washington, DC, must be renamed.  I'm not familiar enough with who were the good guys (if any) and bad guys in Texas on the issue of slavery, but I'm sure that there have been many bad guys on race (and not just in relation to African Americans) since the Civil War, and certainly there are still some today, just as everywhere else.
So, bottom line, defend what is worthy of your defense.  But don't defend the unworthy on the theory that in doing so you will somehow pre-empt attacks on honorable institutions.
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« Reply #1859 on: June 15, 2020, 08:43:56 PM »
The Eyes of Texas was parodying a Texas president who constantly paraphrased Robert E. Lee saying, "The eyes of the South are upon you!". It definitely originally referred to the Confederacy.

Here we have a symptom of the problem. White people can't tell black people that they're being offended by something that shouldn't offend them. If you've heard the term "white privilege", this is an excellent example. The origin of the song might not offend white people, but the black students are saying it does offend them.

The song might not need to go. Maybe, after discussion and acknowledgement, an understanding can be achieved. I think that understanding is extremely unlikely if white people start by dismissing the concern out of hand.
From afar, I have watched this unfold.  I was not aware of any racist history or undertones to "Eyes of Texas" before this blew up.  But I was not aware of any racist history to "I've Been Workin' on the Railroad" either, and that definitely has a racist history, as the words to the verses were originally written in 1894, at Princeton, of all places, in "Negro dialect."  Very, very crude Negro dialect.
OTOH, the tune of the verses comes from the Poet and Peasant overture, by Franz von SuppĂ©.  "Someone's in the kitchen with Dinah" and "Dinah won't you blow your horn" come from two different sources, one from the 1840s and one from the 1940s.
I also didn't know that "Eyes of Texas" was an allusion to R.E. Lee and "eyes of the South" (I would actually guess it was "eyes of Virginia") either.  But that makes sense.
I was aware of the "cowboy minstrel show" history of the UT marching band uniforms, however.  Were I an aggrieved black UT student/alum, those outfits would have been my first targets.
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« Reply #1860 on: June 15, 2020, 08:46:45 PM »
Someone on surlyhorns suggested altering and updating the song, rather than abandoning it altogether.  He even suggested some really good lyrics that put inclusiveness at the forefront, but in a way that wasn't overly cheesy.  I liked his version and would be happy to sing it.


I don't know about Vince Young specifically, but some former players have definitely reached out to the current players to have a conversation about what the song means to them.

We are continuously being told we need to "listen" to what the minorities are saying.  We'll see if they're willing to do the same.
I think that "they" have had to listen to what "we" have been saying for a long time.
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« Reply #1861 on: June 15, 2020, 09:18:47 PM »
I dont have a huge problem with taking down statues of confederate generals but its way too much of a stretch to tie racism to The Eyes of Texas

defendable  or not I feel very strong on this and wont take it well at all if they are successful
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