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Topic: Sympathy for the Devil?

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MikeDeTiger

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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2018, 11:54:55 AM »
A movie that wasn't all that great but which perfectly demonstrates what you're talking about is "Dracula 2000."  Oddly, it came out in 1999, I think.  There's the heroes, one is the young male protagonist, and I recall he's just a thorough wuss.  I mean a totally whiny, wimpy, unlikable, pansy.  The young woman protagonist was okay, but he was just annoying.  I think it might have been Jonny Lee Miller, Sherlock Holmes from the highly mediocre CBS show "Elementary."  Then when Dracula finally shows up, it's Gerard Butler, who I've liked in most things I've seen him in.  I always root for Gerard Butler, even as Dracula.  Even when he's killing people, he's just way more likable, and I remember it was the first time I ever saw a fantasy/horror movie and rooted for the bad guy.  I wanted him to kill the young man and I hoped he turned everybody else into vampires.  Then they gave him a cool ending which made me like him even more, though I won't give it away, in case you ever do see it.  Although I really wouldn't waste my time on it.  Butler as Dracula was the only cool thing about it, and that's when I was 20 years old, God only knows how much I'd think it a waste of time now.  

"Justified" was a great, great TV show where I found it easy to root for a villain, Boyd Crowder.  You never root against the protagonist, Raylan Givens--he's way too likable for that--but it's a clear device of the show to make you never truly root against the recurring antagonist.  CH, if you didn't catch that while it was on, I think you'd really like it....it's available on Amazon Prime.  

Maybe the most glaring recent example I've seen is the recently concluded FX series "The Americans" where the main characters/protagonists technically are the villains, from our perspective.  If you've never seen it, it's about a couple who are Russian spies in the 80's, living in Washington D.C. posing as a typical American family.  I found the show very unsettling in its first season, because they are clearly the main characters the show wants you to identify and sympathize with, but because of their views juxtaposed with my own views, it was nearly impossible to root for them.  It created this cool turmoil that I think teh show means to evoke from the viewer.  But that's constantly balanced against how likable they are and how you don't want bad things to happen to them personally, you just don't want them to achieve their goals.  It was brilliant.  By the second season, things settled down emotionally for me--you get more comfortable with rooting for people who's ultimate ends are at odds with your own--and you just relax into it.  The show makes them that sympathetic, and it works that well.  It's genius.  Also available on Amazon Prime, for those who haven't watched it.  

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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2018, 01:35:26 PM »
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I haven't been around in ages, but I was checking the news and saw this picture of a recent grad taking pics with an alligator, then saw the TAMU logo on her graduate's scarf and thought, "I guess A&M has gone full SEC now."  And that made me think of you guys.  so yeah, I got sympathy for you devils.

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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2018, 01:37:59 PM »
Of course, Magneto had a point.
I think Disney/Marvel did a great job with Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War.
But, although I understand his reasoning, I don't understand why, with infinite power, he didn't just snap his fingers and create enough food for everyone in the universe.  Or, you know, double the number of inhabitable planets, or something.  He really was just painfully stupid and simple-minded, when you think about it.

But I still liked him.

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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2018, 01:39:08 PM »
And I much prefer Running With the Devil to Sympathy for the Devil, so I'll stick to that as my theme.

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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2018, 01:39:43 PM »
Howdy PR, good to see you!

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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2018, 01:57:28 PM »
Utee,

Isn't Thanos just basically a Dad character?  I mean his plan is basically just to get rid of half the kids so he can enjoy a fishing trip and nice sunset, right?  Yeah, I can get how that resonates as likeable villain.



Good to see you too.  Gotta remember to drop by here more often.


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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2018, 02:43:10 PM »
And I much prefer Running With the Devil to Sympathy for the Devil, so I'll stick to that as my theme.
song/group/guitar legends aside
running with the devil is much different than having sympathy for the lord of darkness
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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2018, 03:00:41 PM »
A handy website for such things is www.justwatch.com/us   You type in the name of a show and it will tell you what services, if any, can it be streamed on, and what online outlets let you buy it as well.  
I think you just changed my life for the good, Amos.

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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2018, 03:28:21 PM »
Utee,

Isn't Thanos just basically a Dad character?  I mean his plan is basically just to get rid of half the kids so he can enjoy a fishing trip and nice sunset, right?  Yeah, I can get how that resonates as likeable villain.



Good to see you too.  Gotta remember to drop by here more often.


Yup, aside from the generations' worth of bloody murder even before he snapped his fingers, he's still just a dude that wants some peace and quiet in the universe.  Who can blame him?  This one planet is full of more than enough yahoos for my taste, I can't imagine an entire universe's-worth.

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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2018, 04:16:24 PM »
Thought this was another thread about Urban Meyer.Title sounds about right
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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2018, 04:53:41 PM »
why in the wide wide world of Sports did Urban bring that POS with him from Florida?
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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2018, 05:19:38 PM »
I think you just changed my life for the good, Amos.
......again.  

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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2018, 05:35:02 PM »
why in the wide wide world of Sports did Urban bring that POS with him from Florida?
Because of Earl Bruce.
Now, can we please keep this stuff quarantined to the Urban Meyer Thread of Doom over in B1G-land?  I've been avoiding that thread like the plague.

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Re: Sympathy for the Devil?
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2018, 05:38:58 PM »
Because of Earl Bruce.

just seems like a very lame reason
OK, OK, I'll cease and desist
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