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Gigem

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #182 on: August 23, 2021, 03:24:07 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 23, 2021, 02:51:34 PM
BOO freaking HOO. 

Your team won the MNC with 2 losses.  Texas has never, ever been allowed to even play for the MNC with anything fewer than ZERO losses.

You are awarded zero points and may God have mercy on your soul.
It occurs to me that Texas is one of the few teams that claims a MNC having lost the last game of the season...
Boo Freakin' Hoo Indeed.  
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utee94

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #183 on: August 23, 2021, 03:28:36 PM »
We're coming to the SEC.  We're gonna out-play you AND we're gonna out-whine you.

We're also gonna out-arrogance you.

Prepare for Hell my friend.
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MikeDeTiger

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #184 on: August 23, 2021, 03:31:47 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 23, 2021, 03:28:36 PM
We're coming to the SEC.  We're gonna out-play you AND we're gonna out-whine you.

We're also gonna out-arrogance you.

Prepare for Hell my friend.

I have never for one minute doubted that middle sentence. 

You forgot "outspend you."  
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #185 on: August 23, 2021, 03:34:21 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on August 23, 2021, 03:31:47 PM
I have never for one minute doubted that middle sentence. 

You forgot "outspend you." 
Maybe. Honestly, we don't spend nearly enough.  We give way too much back to the useless "academic" side.  
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #186 on: August 23, 2021, 03:35:54 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on August 23, 2021, 03:24:07 PM
It occurs to me that Texas is one of the few teams that claims a MNC having lost the last game of the season...
Boo Freakin' Hoo Indeed. 
You're kidding right?  Tons of teams do it, since the bowl games didn't count into both polls until the 70s.  You might wanna re-check your "facts."

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #187 on: August 23, 2021, 03:41:55 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 23, 2021, 03:34:21 PM
Maybe. Honestly, we don't spend nearly enough.  We give way too much back to the useless "academic" side. 

I know this is partly in jest, but it's still too close for comfort.  

I used to be able to shake my head at some stuff that was particular to UT and a handful of west-coast and yankee schools, but the uselessness of (counter)academia is everywhere now, certainly in Baton Rouge at the state school.  It's gotten to the point where I don't think I could hire somebody who's gone to college.  I'd rather apprentice workers and let them learn on the job than deal with the BS pumped into college grads now.  I thought STEM majors would remain immune to the junk I'm talking about.  I was wrong.  
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Gigem

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #188 on: August 23, 2021, 03:43:40 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 23, 2021, 03:35:54 PM
You're kidding right?  Tons of teams do it, since the bowl games didn't count into both polls until the 70s.  You might wanna re-check your "facts."
Mostly kidding, but it seemed apropos.

seems kinda silly now though doesn’t it ? 
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #189 on: August 23, 2021, 03:45:14 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on August 23, 2021, 03:43:40 PM
Mostly kidding, but it seemed apropos.

seems kinda silly though doesn’t it ? 
It's all silly. :)

We're arguing about a game.  A game played by 18-23 year olds.  There's really nothing BUT silliness involved in that.

Doesn't mean it can't be fun, though.
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #190 on: August 23, 2021, 03:48:39 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on August 23, 2021, 03:41:55 PM
I know this is partly in jest, but it's still too close for comfort. 

I used to be able to shake my head at some stuff that was particular to UT and a handful of west-coast and yankee schools, but the uselessness of (counter)academia is everywhere now, certainly in Baton Rouge at the state school.  It's gotten to the point where I don't think I could hire somebody who's gone to college.  I'd rather apprentice workers and let them learn on the job than deal with the BS pumped into college grads now.  I thought STEM majors would remain immune to the junk I'm talking about.  I was wrong. 
Hmmm, yeah, so many avenues of discussion here.  I guess I'll say two things

1) College was never meant to be a vocational school. And in general it does a poor job of it.  

2) There are effectively some vocational majors in college, though.  I would never hire an engineer that hadn't been through a rigorous engineering program.  I guess that doesn't HAVE to be a college degree, but right now, it is.
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Gigem

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #191 on: August 23, 2021, 05:06:21 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 23, 2021, 03:45:14 PM
It's all silly. :)

We're arguing about a game.  A game played by 18-23 year olds.  There's really nothing BUT silliness involved in that.

Doesn't mean it can't be fun, though.
Word.  

And by silly I meant excluding the bowl games at the end of the season for rankings well into the 70's.  
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #192 on: August 23, 2021, 05:20:51 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on August 23, 2021, 05:06:21 PM
Word. 

And by silly I meant excluding the bowl games at the end of the season for rankings well into the 70's. 

Oh I don't think that's silly at all.  You can't really look at it through our modern lens.

The bowl games were always just exhibitions, a reward for the team for a good season, and ideally a fun travel destination for the fans.  Lots of coaches and players didn't start taking them seriously UNTIL the polls started awarding the MNC afterwards.

They were considered so irrelevant that Notre Dame didn't even bother going to them until 1970.
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #193 on: August 23, 2021, 06:24:51 PM »
I recall some successful LSU teams in the late 80's that still treated bowls as nothing more than a nice trip for a hard season.  Wendell Davis was recently interviewed re: his induction into the LA Sports HOF and he mentioned that as hard as they tried in the regular season, the bowls had no urgency or weight to them and remarked how differently the fans and players feel about them now.  He said his final year the seniors realized they had never won a bowl game, and while they weren't exactly bothered by it, they decided they didn't want to leave without ever having got a win in one.  So they prepped much harder and tried to impress on the younger classes that they really wanted to win that one.  He played from about '86 - '89. 

I guess you could say Orgeron still doesn't care about them since he opted not to take advantage of the NCAA's rule that would've allowed LSU to play in a bowl last season.  That's a silly joke.  More likely, probably like me he thought the sooner he closed that shitshow down the better.  
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Gigem

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #194 on: August 23, 2021, 06:38:19 PM »
Eh, ND.  The team that still has not joined a conference. I wouldn’t consider their actions as my bench mark. I really don’t know the entire history but I’m betting they’re the only program arrogant enough to turn down a bowl invite. Especially when there were only a handful of bowls. It was a real privilege to get a bowl invite back in the day. 

Of course it’s always been pushed about bowl games being exhibition back then and not really counting for much. I don’t know, it was way before my time but I just have trouble accepting that. If A&M and UT scrimmaged in the spring I’m betting somebody would keep score and the fans would ruffle the feathers of the losing team. 

I just never really bought the argument that the fans and players didn’t care all that much. 
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #195 on: August 23, 2021, 06:43:06 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on August 23, 2021, 06:24:51 PM
I recall some successful LSU teams in the late 80's that still treated bowls as nothing more than a nice trip for a hard season.  Wendell Davis was recently interviewed re: his induction into the LA Sports HOF and he mentioned that as hard as they tried in the regular season, the bowls had no urgency or weight to them and remarked how differently the fans and players feel about them now.  He said his final year the seniors realized they had never won a bowl game, and while they weren't exactly bothered by it, they decided they didn't want to leave without ever having got a win in one.  So they prepped much harder and tried to impress on the younger classes that they really wanted to win that one.  He played from about '86 - '89. 

I guess you could say Orgeron still doesn't care about them since he opted not to take advantage of the NCAA's rule that would've allowed LSU to play in a bowl last season.  That's a silly joke.  More likely, probably like me he thought the sooner he closed that shitshow down the better. 

Oh yeah, outside of bowl games with MNC implications, many bowls even decades after the mid 70s have been considered exhibitions.

Heck, outside of the BCS bowls he played in, Mack Brown always used the extra practices as preparation for the following season.  He only spent a couple of days working on the upcoming opponent.  He didn't care at all.



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