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Topic: Rivalry Talk

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FearlessF

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #168 on: August 21, 2021, 10:38:10 PM »
agreed, unfortunately
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #169 on: August 22, 2021, 12:48:40 AM »

So, in the RRS, does OU choke more than Texas, or does Texas overachieve more than OU?

Meh, from a 3rd party observer, botha youse need a serious SEC Speed upgrade, fortunately you're both about to get one.  
It won't change anything, but now when you lose a game you can say "It's the best league, anybody can beat anybody on a given day," or "We weren't up for it," and you still get in the playoffs.  

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #170 on: August 22, 2021, 09:52:10 AM »
You're half-kidding but you're also right.

I was looking at a recent slam piece against UT from some sports rag, don't even remember which.  In it they're comparing UT's and A&M's relative success in football, and one of the metrics they cite is number of athletes drafted into the NFL.  But they didn't use the number from each of the two schools-- no, instead, they used NFL draftees by conference.  And despite the fact that the SEC has almost 50% more teams than the B12, they didn't use average per school, they used absolute numbers.

That is the kind of slanted bulljive that every single non-SEC school must work against on a near-daily basis, and that's just one small example.
But now, Texas will receive the full benefit of stupid tilted analysis like that, so... yay, SEC. :)

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #171 on: August 22, 2021, 10:26:59 PM »
While that article is obviously deficient, I don't think Texas has suffered a ton throughout the ages from an abundance of tilted bulljive.  Many are the years I look at the rankings and I think Texas is there because they're Texas. 

In general I agree with you, other schools must fight an uphill battle.  When Oklahoma State is really good, it's hard to get people to see that.  Ohio State, USC, Texas, etc....not so much.  Blue blood is blue no matter what conference you're in.  The fact that Texas is one of the top ten all-time programs still carries weight, even when they suck for a decade.  

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #172 on: August 23, 2021, 08:23:32 AM »
Obviously we get a lot better analysis around here than from alleged sports writers.

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #173 on: August 23, 2021, 10:13:14 AM »
While that article is obviously deficient, I don't think Texas has suffered a ton throughout the ages from an abundance of tilted bulljive.  Many are the years I look at the rankings and I think Texas is there because they're Texas. 

In general I agree with you, other schools must fight an uphill battle.  When Oklahoma State is really good, it's hard to get people to see that.  Ohio State, USC, Texas, etc....not so much.  Blue blood is blue no matter what conference you're in.  The fact that Texas is one of the top ten all-time programs still carries weight, even when they suck for a decade. 
The slanted conference reporting hurts us in recruiting on a daily basis.

That obstacle will now be removed.  Which is great for us (and for OU).  Not so great for the ags.



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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #174 on: August 23, 2021, 01:24:53 PM »
No, losing to much inferior competition for years and years hurts more than bull jive press.  OU has recruited well in the same circumstances.  Not every player wants to go to the SEC.  

A&M recruited well even when we shared a conference with OU/Tex but we lost too often to teams that we out-recruited every year.  Losing is the problem.  

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #175 on: August 23, 2021, 01:35:27 PM »
No, losing to much inferior competition for years and years hurts more than bull jive press.  OU has recruited well in the same circumstances.  Not every player wants to go to the SEC. 

A&M recruited well even when we shared a conference with OU/Tex but we lost too often to teams that we out-recruited every year.  Losing is the problem. 
Nope.

Overall Texas has recruited well-- better than OU in many of those years-- and yet it's still a true statement that Texas has suffered from the bulljive media.  Those can both be true-- and they are.

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #176 on: August 23, 2021, 02:05:46 PM »
Nope.

Overall Texas has recruited well-- better than OU in many of those years-- and yet it's still a true statement that Texas has suffered from the bulljive media.  Those can both be true-- and they are.

Look, since y'all are coming and there's nothing I can do about it, let's get this out of the way.  Everybody Is Against Us, Woe Is Me is our schtick, and you're not welcome to it in your new conference.  LSU fans invented it, LSU fans copyrighted it, LSU fans own it.  If there's going to be any whining about the bulljive media unfairly piling on us, not noticing when we're awesome, or completely misrepresenting what actually happened in a game or in a larger time span, you leave that to us.  Find your own thing, we don't need two of that.  

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #177 on: August 23, 2021, 02:12:20 PM »
Look, since y'all are coming and there's nothing I can do about it, let's get this out of the way.  Everybody Is Against Us, Woe Is Me is our schtick, and you're not welcome to it in your new conference.  LSU fans invented it, LSU fans copyrighted it, LSU fans own it.  If there's going to be any whining about the bulljive media unfairly piling on us, not noticing when we're awesome, or completely misrepresenting what actually happened in a game or in a larger time span, you leave that to us.  Find your own thing, we don't need two of that. 
Uhhh.... your team was awarded the MNC with not one, but TWO losses.

So, nope.  You don't get to play ANY "woe is me" bullcrap.

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #178 on: August 23, 2021, 02:48:44 PM »
Uhhh.... your team was awarded the MNC with not one, but TWO losses.

So, nope.  You don't get to play ANY "woe is me" bullcrap.

Silly cattle, you're proving my point.  

We won a freaking NC, and all ANYBODY has ever cared to talk about is THEY HAD TWO LOSSES WAH WAH WAH!!!

They also went into a #1 team's stadium, beat them, and all the media could do was complain loudly that the other team was really better and they should be given a second chance at the expense of other teams, because we all know what LSU did was bulljive and didn't count. 

You can certainly find instances where it hasn't been the case, but you don't want to start comparing slights with me.  I guarantee you, you are not equipped for that fight. 

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #179 on: August 23, 2021, 02:51:34 PM »
BOO freaking HOO.  

Your team won the MNC with 2 losses.  Texas has never, ever been allowed to even play for the MNC with anything fewer than ZERO losses.

You are awarded zero points and may God have mercy on your soul.


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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #180 on: August 23, 2021, 03:18:26 PM »
You didn't address my point, though it was an excellent evasion.  Congressman-worthy. 

A ton of teams have never played for an NC with any losses.  Texas is not special in that way.  I freely and happily admit that LSU was picked out of 4-5 other two loss teams in 2007.  I did say it's not universal, everybody gets the benefit the doubt sometime and that was one such time.  I also freely and happily assert that it was so black and white that it left "them" no other options, and had there been any other options, someone else is probably picked.  I'll also direct you to the fact that starting about the time the clock hit zero, "they" (and you, apparently) only remember that it was a silly nc, weakest NC team ever, two losses, blah blah blah.  Anything but "hey, it wasn't perfect but they looked like the best team that year."  Shoot, LSU did pull off a perfect season, and all we get in our conference and elsewhere is "Yeah, but Tua had hurt his ankle previously so he probably wasn't full strength.  Gumps were coming back in the second half.  They would win a rematch.  LSU didn't even have a championship caliber defense for most of the season anyway.  They're running game was not even as good as it used to be.  They weren't that great outside of Burrow.  Look at all the warts."  Even a perfect record and virtually every record rewritten can't even help us.  What do you ever hear about 2005 Texas?  Best NC game ever.  VY, legendary performance.  Slayed the Trojan beast and obliterated all others.  Magical season.  I have yet to hear any detraction on that one.  

Suits me.  I'm just saying, you'll have to find another bit.  Angsty paranoia is taken.

Now...if you're asking me to believe the Big 12 has had a major PR problem the last little while and Texas suffers because of it, I not only agree but also would think that's obvious.  But overall, I am confident that if you add up all the ways you think Texas was done wrong through the years and stack them against all the ways I can show LSU was done wrong through the years, all you have to say is "blue-blood" and I think you know who has the bigger file of grievances. 

btw, blame OU for the small time frame that Texas has "endured" whatever it's endured.  It's their fault that the Big 12 champion keeps representing poorly in the outside world.  Speaking of, I wish to amend an earlier statement in the realignment thread about having only two games of history with OU, 1950 and 2003.  Apparently we played them in 2019.  After being reminded of this, I do in fact remember that game, but remain unconvinced that was actually Oklahoma.  

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #181 on: August 23, 2021, 03:21:35 PM »
Incidentally, not only are you proving my point, I'm proving my own point.

It's pretty obvious that I can out-whine you. 

So again, this is our thing.  Longhorns will have to find their own thing.  

 

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