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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #98 on: August 19, 2021, 12:15:38 AM »
I really thought Franchione was going to be a very good coach at A&M.  Shows what I know about coaching potential, I suppose.

I thought John Blake was going to be good for OU.  I no longer have any confidence in my judgement about coaches.

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« Reply #99 on: August 19, 2021, 08:18:44 AM »
I thought John Blake was going to be good for OU.  I no longer have any confidence in my judgement about coaches.

I have a lot of doubts about Sarkisian, so hopefully my terrible track record of evaluation of coaching potential continues.

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #100 on: August 19, 2021, 10:18:26 AM »
I have a lot of doubts about Sarkisian, so hopefully my terrible track record of evaluation of coaching potential continues.
He carries himself well in front of the press

just hope he can walk the walk
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #101 on: August 19, 2021, 11:02:18 AM »
If I had to make a rationale for trusting Sark in the absence of no actual games played, I'd point to the ease in which some of the most respected and most ensconced assistant coaches and coordinators in the business left their gigs to make a usually lateral move to join him.

Kyle Flood, Bo Davis, and in particular Pete Kwiatkowski had no reason to leave their former jobs on a whim. They clearly feel Sark taking the reins at Texas is a special moment.

One wonders how many times this particular Texas fan is going to rationalize yet another program overhaul. However, I'm spending much less time explaining, "Well I know it looks bad, but if you see this angle and squint really carefully..." than I have with the priors.

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #102 on: August 19, 2021, 04:43:14 PM »
I really thought Franchione was going to be a very good coach at A&M.  Shows what I know about coaching potential, I suppose.

I really thought Herman was going to be a very good coach at UT.  Shows what I know too.  

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #103 on: August 19, 2021, 04:46:18 PM »
I really thought Herman was going to be a very good coach at UT.  Shows what I know too. 
Sad times these are for Longhorn fans, both open and closeted. ;)


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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #104 on: August 19, 2021, 04:51:39 PM »
I'm a fan of a few Longhorn fans, wife included, does that count?

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #105 on: August 19, 2021, 04:56:05 PM »
Sure... sure.... you can tell yourself that if it makes it easier for you...

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #106 on: August 19, 2021, 05:31:21 PM »
We gotta recall the disaster that was Steve Patterson.

Obviously, Mack "left" and took DeLoss with him. Things weren't exactly rosy then. Steve Patterson did the one thing that the University of Texas athletic director has NO BUSINESS ever doing - he cut costs. Money is something that happens to other people.

I believe Charlie Strong was learning the job. He was, though, continuously undercut by his AD who wanted to look for cheap assistants and support staff. His hand was forced when, after losing to Kansas, it became obvious that Texas alumnus Tom Herman was going to be hired by some big program. We had an interim AD, doing the best he could, who made the play for Herman. Herman had the right pedigree but no experience. He might learn the job one day, but this is not that day. Men with money decided to pay 8 figures for him to leave.

I see Sark as a man who made Herman's mistakes already. He thought he knew it all and couldn't fail. He publicly self-destructed, lost it all, and had to be honest about whether or not he wanted to get it back. He decided he did, worked on himself first, then took humbling jobs in the game until Saban accepted him.

I believe in Sark not because he's been successful, but rather because of how spectacularly he failed. He absolutely has the skills. His work with Alabama and abilities to hire assistants prove that. He knows the pressure that's coming, and he's looking forward to it.

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #107 on: August 19, 2021, 05:43:20 PM »
Strong's main problem to me was that his teams were not ready to play the game

he had the worst special teams Ive ever seen at UT

We even played a game where do to our unpreparedness kicked off at both the beg of the game and the start of the 3rd quarter
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #108 on: August 19, 2021, 10:25:17 PM »
Wasn’t there some kind of coin toss miscue in there too?  

Charlie Strong was a spectacular failure in every way. I have no idea how his previous teams were so successful. 

I don’t care who the coach is, every situation is different and there are lots of little pieces that can either make or break a coach. Sometimes it can simply be the culture of the team they inherit. I wish more players would speak out from previous years and coaching regimes. 

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #109 on: August 19, 2021, 11:05:33 PM »
Wasn’t there some kind of coin toss miscue in there too? 

Charlie Strong was a spectacular failure in every way. I have no idea how his previous teams were so successful.

I don’t care who the coach is, every situation is different and there are lots of little pieces that can either make or break a coach. Sometimes it can simply be the culture of the team they inherit. I wish more players would speak out from previous years and coaching regimes.
yes that is what I was referring to

they won the toss and they deferred and we should have said we wanted the ball but instead said something like which goal we wanted to defend or something like that
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #110 on: August 20, 2021, 09:17:36 AM »
Much like Herman, Strong's record was that of exceeding expectations at a modestly mid-level program. He had likewise been a coordinator at a very successful high level program. The hope was that he'd absorbed enough to be ready to take the head job at Texas.

The reality is that there's no way to be ready for that. There's going to be a learning curve. Strong was making mistakes, but seemed to be learning. He still had command of the locker room. I reiterate that he was hampered by an inexplicable and unforgivable bout of penny pinching by what can only be called an insane, clueless AD.

I don't blame Texas for moving on from him and Patterson. While I think Strong was learning, no one wanted to wait. Herman, on the other hand, I'm not sure how long it was going to take him to get an education.

I see Sark as already had his "Herman" moment spectacularly. He stood on top of the pile, demanded adulation, and ended up being left at the airport. He didn't have to get back up. He chose to. Really, I believe in him not because of how well he did with Alabama, but by how badly he failed. He knows what failure looks like, and how that path goes.

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #111 on: August 20, 2021, 09:44:00 AM »
Strong fielded the worst defenses in Texas history.  That's really all that needs to be said about him.  It was embarrassing how poorly coached and unprepared his teams looked.  That his teams were consistently destroyed while having incredible talents like D'Onta Foreman, is just inexplicable and inexcusable.  He was in way over his head and no amount of on-the-job training was ever going to improve.  I normally think you have to give a coach at least 4 years, but honestly he probably should have been let go after 2.  We'd seen everything we needed to see at that point.

I certainly agree that Steve Patterson made a terrible impact to the program, there's no denying that.

 

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