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Topic: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?

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utee94

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #518 on: February 14, 2023, 10:34:22 PM »
WTF is Charles Barkley?




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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #519 on: February 14, 2023, 10:49:18 PM »
Sir Charles to you
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« Reply #520 on: February 14, 2023, 10:50:02 PM »
Is he part of the royal family or something?  I don't follow foreign monarchs all that closely.

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #521 on: February 14, 2023, 11:13:55 PM »
well, he played in the SEC SEC SEC so, royalty

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #522 on: February 15, 2023, 09:51:36 AM »
Exactly.

Adding the 9th conference game instead of a bodybag creampuff patsy would add up to an additional 7 losses to the conference collective at the end of the season.  That's significant.

Additionally, scheduling the SEC bodybag creampuff patsy game in November, when all the other P5 conferences are playing conference games and adding guaranteed losses to their the conference overall, allowing SEC teams to move up in the rankings, is also significant.

Don't get me wrong, it's a savvy move that has worked well in helping to create the SECSECSEC mythos.

But we can still call it out for being chickenshit.

You'll see what I'm talking about, if/when the SEC adds a 9th conference game.
8 conference games, 9 conference games, it won't make any difference because 1/3 of the SEC is just as bad as the worst B12 teams.  Vanderbilt, USC, Kentucky, Miss State (usually).  On the rare occasion that Kentucky beats Bama they will still get into the CFP.  

Alabama and Georgia will beat that 9th opponent all the same 90% of the time.  For people whose teams are about to be in the SEC, you sure are anti-SEC.  And nothing has stopped the Big 12 or Big 10 from doing the same thing with regards to the scheduling.  

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« Reply #523 on: February 15, 2023, 09:59:18 AM »
8 conference games, 9 conference games, it won't make any difference because 1/3 of the SEC is just as bad as the worst B12 teams.  Vanderbilt, USC, Kentucky, Miss State (usually).  On the rare occasion that Kentucky beats Bama they will still get into the CFP. 

Alabama and Georgia will beat that 9th opponent all the same 90% of the time.  For people whose teams are about to be in the SEC, you sure are anti-SEC.  And nothing has stopped the Big 12 or Big 10 from doing the same thing with regards to the scheduling. 

Several of us are pointing out how the SEC has effectively gamed the system for decades.  They didn't cheat, it's all within the rules.  From that standpoint, it's been a savvy strategy.

But we can still dislike the practices and consider them to be chickenshit.  I'm not anti-SEC or pro-SEC.  I'm just a realist.

You're absolutely right that any and all of the other conferences could have adopted similar practices.  I won't really speak for the rest of the B12, but I've always been happy that Texas doesn't do that.  I like playing P5 competition and not having the D1-AA bodybag games, and I like the 9-game conference schedule.  I REALLY liked the full rounbrobin, that's one of the few things the B12 had right-- until they messed it up with an unnecessary CCG on top of that.

And I agree it won't matter to Alabama and Georgia.  But they're not the ones benefitting from the gaming strategies and the mythos of the SEC.  It's the midtier and even bottom teams that ride coattails and enjoy those benefits.

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« Reply #524 on: February 15, 2023, 11:39:03 AM »
And I agree it won't matter to Alabama and Georgia.  But they're not the ones benefitting from the gaming strategies and the mythos of the SEC.  It's the midtier and even bottom teams that ride coattails and enjoy those benefits.
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« Reply #525 on: February 15, 2023, 05:22:09 PM »
Some OU fans are claiming he's senile and wishing he'd shut up.
But he was saying outlandish things even back in the '70s, so it can't all be due to his age.
Barry Switzer says his Sooners’ 1978 loss in Lincoln “still upsets me.”

“It upsets me to think about it, even today,” Switzer said of the 1978 Oklahoma-Nebraska game during a recent wide-ranging interview with The Tulsa World. "Our 1978 team, unbeaten and ranked No. 1, and there’s that (bleeping) fumble at Nebraska.”

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #526 on: February 15, 2023, 06:01:30 PM »
Well, that's not one of the outlandish things he has said over the years. That's the dead solid truth!
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #527 on: February 16, 2023, 08:47:33 AM »
I don't think he's changed a bit

might walk into an airport with a gun in his carry-on again
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« Reply #528 on: February 16, 2023, 09:23:01 AM »
Well, that's not one of the outlandish things he has said over the years. That's the dead solid truth!
What is controversial about that? 

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #529 on: February 16, 2023, 10:41:11 AM »
Ed Zachery

Teams like A&M & Florida
A&M sure, but strange that you would bag on Florida, who I consider to be a 21BB. Or close to it. 

in the end all the scheming and scheduling won’t mean didly if you don’t win. So laugh at scheduling ULALA in November all you want but if you win in December and January that’s all that counts. And even A&M’s win bowl rate went up drastically after joining the SEC. 

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #530 on: February 16, 2023, 03:29:47 PM »
utee94 wrote (don't know why it didn't quote-box this):  "And I agree it won't matter to Alabama and Georgia.  But they're not the ones benefitting from the gaming strategies and the mythos of the SEC.  It's the midtier and even bottom teams that ride coattails and enjoy those benefits."


What benefits, exactly?

The mid-tier and bottom-feeder SEC teams are in the same boat every other middle-to-poor team from other conferences is in.  Sub-par bowls nobody cares about, little consideration in the rankings, not put in prime tv slots, etc.  Bowl eligibility, probably, yes, but that goes for any month and is not particular to November. 

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« Reply #531 on: February 16, 2023, 03:37:02 PM »
It'd be hard to find many teams in the country with better ooc schedules than LSU the last 20 years and we've done okay, although the marquee games do indeed come near the beginning of the season.  The tradeoff to that as a fan, in a sense, is that every 4th year one of the patsies is really bad, as in FCS.  I could be wrong, but I believe there's a stipulation in place with someone/something that says LSU can't play an FCS team more often than that.  If I'm right about that, I think we're doing it as often as it's allowed.

I wanted to see what our Novembers looked like since the last expansion where we got handed A&M at or near the end of the season.  Excluding 2020 which featured only conference games, that's 10 seasons.  Body-bag games are so forgettable that I had to check, and we're at .500 for playing non-conference schmucks in November.  5 years we played a string of four SEC opponents.  3 years there was a schmuck scheduled in November.  The final two years featured only three games in November, with the now-usual pre-Bama bye week taking up a November spot.  Those seasons featured all-SEC Novembers, but with only 3 games played and not 4.  It should be noted that there would've been an additional year which would've replaced one of the 4-SEC-team Novembers, which was 2016 where LSU and Florida made up their October date canceled for hurricane reasons.  We played 4 SEC teams that November, but the original plan would've been a body-bag that was canceled so the conference game could be made up. 


fwiw, 2019 was a 4-SEC team November, which didn't matter at all.  And I assume this is the case for all the big boys...they're going to win their games no matter if they play a patsy or another SEC game...the best team almost always wins.  I'm skeptical this actually matters because the premise assumes Bama and UGA would be losing more games if they played SEC teams late instead of cream-puffs, and that is entirely unjustified imo.  

 

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