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Topic: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #308 on: December 16, 2022, 09:56:08 PM »
Good article. Thanks for linking it, Gigem!
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #309 on: December 17, 2022, 12:08:54 AM »
pretty easy

Sept 2nd - Texas drops Rice - Sooners drop Arkansas State

or

Sept 16 - Texas drops Wyoming - Sooners drop Tulsa

Cause we all know the Horns are looking forward to their trip to Tuscaloosa on Sept 9th

Fox & ESPN love it

It would be fun to see the B12 attempt to force Texas and OU to breach contract with OOC entities that are already contractually obligated.  

Why would Texas and OU do that, when they can just say "no" and sue the B12 alongside the city of Dallas for breach of contract instead?  

The B12 has had the negotiating leverage to date, which is the only reason Texas and OU aren't already in the SEC.  Why would the B12 forfeit that?  The answer is, they wouldn't.

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #310 on: December 17, 2022, 12:12:17 AM »
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/early-exit-for-texas-oklahoma-to-sec-could-be-aided-by-future-nonconference-games-at-big-12-stadiums/

ESPN will have the Texas and OU content either way, they're effectively neutral.  It's Fox that stands to lose, or not.  They're the one where negotiations are taking place.

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« Reply #311 on: December 17, 2022, 12:59:01 AM »
ESPN will have the Texas and OU content either way, they're effectively neutral.  It's Fox that stands to lose, or not.  They're the one where negotiations are taking place.
None of the "expert" analysts seem to have caught that point.
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #312 on: December 17, 2022, 01:07:43 AM »
None of the "expert" analysts seem to have caught that point.
Which is precisely why I have such a low opinion of the "expert" analysts.  

They keep saying things like, "Texas and OU are being held back by the TV network partners" which is untrue in 2 ways.

1) ESPN is neutral, so only Fox needs to be negotiated with.

2) Texas and OU don't have a contract with the TV networks.  The B12 does.  So the TV networks can't do anything to "hold Texas and OU back."

What they CAN do, is refuse to make concessions to HELP Texas and OU depart early.  But that's not really the same as "holding them back." If Texas and OU chose to pay the B12 exit fees and bargain on the GOR, they could leave tomorrow and the TV networks would have no say.




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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #313 on: December 17, 2022, 10:04:33 AM »
Do the fans of these teams generally support the move?  I guess it's a done deal anyway.


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« Reply #314 on: December 17, 2022, 10:12:11 AM »
Do the fans of these teams generally support the move?  I guess it's a done deal anyway.


I'd say it's a Gaussian distribution among Texas fans I know personally.  Most support it, at least reluctantly.  Then there are a few on the tails on either side-- a couple enthusiastically support it, and a couple actively hate it.  

I think most fans recognize that the only way we were going to be able to compete financially, was to join the SEC or B1G.  Our athletic department would be able to tolerate a $10M-$20M/year annual deficit, but the early looks at the next round of contracts were indicating that Texas would be at a $40M-$60M annual deficit to even the poorest schools in either of the Big Two leagues, and that's something that would put UT athletics well behind, for decades.  

So for us, it really was simply inevitable.  I've been saying as much, since 2011.  It was just a matter of time.

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #315 on: December 17, 2022, 11:01:45 AM »
Yeah, I knew practical considerations were foremost, and I can see fans being sort of split.  I see it as mostly good for both programs, aside from the money.  The first couple of years could be tough, but then Mizzou moved in and won the East twice in a row.

And y'all can perhaps spiff up the moribund SEC site here ....

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« Reply #316 on: December 17, 2022, 11:13:53 AM »
Yeah, I knew practical considerations were foremost, and I can see fans being sort of split.  I see it as mostly good for both programs, aside from the money.  The first couple of years could be tough, but then Mizzou moved in and won the East twice in a row.

And y'all can perhaps spiff up the moribund SEC site here ....
For Texas it'll be great to get back to playing more regularly against historical rivals Texas A&M and Arkansas.

I can't speak for Sooner fans though, I'm not sure how they're feeling about it.



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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #317 on: December 17, 2022, 11:28:08 AM »
Probably they have fewer plusses than Texas does.


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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #318 on: December 17, 2022, 01:04:28 PM »
Seems like most of the OU fans I know are happy about it.  With all the disruption going on (realignment, NIL, playoff expansion, coaching changes, etc.) I'll just sit back and watch what develops.  I do enjoy the prospect of playing the SEC teams especially Arkansas.

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #319 on: December 17, 2022, 04:14:22 PM »
OU-Arkansas always seemed like a very natural potential rivalry to me.

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #320 on: December 17, 2022, 05:20:54 PM »
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #321 on: December 17, 2022, 06:46:03 PM »
OU-Arkansas always seemed like a very natural potential rivalry to me.
Yeah, it probably is.
I have a dislike of Arkansas based on mostly growing up in Tulsa. For a long time, Tulsa and Arkansas played nearly every year. And in my lifetime, the games always had to be in Arkansas. I didn't get (and probably wouldn't have cared about) the financial aspects of a major-conference program, and how Arkansas was obligated to play some games in Little Rock. What I got was that TU (that's Tulsa, not Texas, for our Aggie friends) always got the short end of the stick where Arkansas was concerned.
In 1971, Tulsa trailed 20-0 going into the 4th quarter, and came back to win 21-20 in a game I followed on the radio. I can still remember next day's headline in the Tulsa World: "BURNT BACON IN FAYETTEVILLE!" That was the happiest memory I have of a college football outcome to that point in my life.
(OU's win in the '66 RRS--breaking a string of 8 straight losses to Texas--had flown over my head at the time. I had enjoyed the '67 Sooners' win over Tennessee in the Orange Bowl.)
I will concede this to Arkansas. It can't have been entirely fun to be the only non-Texas school in the SWC. Even if there was no actual ganging-up in conference politics, Arkansas folks would have tended to think that there was.
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