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Topic: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #252 on: September 20, 2022, 03:59:00 PM »
What I will appreciate is that when Texas comes aboard, the LHN will die an overdue death, so I am reliably informed. 

Three games so far this year, and we couldn't watch two of them.  The wins, no less. 

You might wonder why I care, well Mrs. DeTiger is a Longhorn, and you know what they say, happy wife, happy life. 

To exacerbate her weekend, CBS had the Cowboys game--the object of her NFL fandom--and for some reason put it in the same time slot as the Texans.  Meaning we got Texans/Broncos and the Cowboys game was not available.  I have never seen that in all my years living in or near Texas. 
My annual "one month half off" Sling trial program is coming to an end in a few days. They carry LHN, so I essentially pay $18 to get to watch 2 games, then cancel.

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #253 on: September 20, 2022, 04:43:49 PM »
I saw the game streamed by ESPN so maybe thats your answer

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #254 on: September 20, 2022, 05:08:14 PM »
I'm a sucker for in-state rivalries and any with a lot of history.  I'm an oddball, though, and probably don't represent "the college football world."  I really like U-Dubb/Wazzu, Oregon/Or. St., ASU/Zona....all those.  Not sure how many games they've played how often, but they've all played every year that I've been paying attention. 

Ergo, I like the OU/oSu game. 

I expect everything to annoy me eventually, as the college sport shortly achieves it's not-so-slow march to being the NFL Part 2. 

Pretty sure the SEC is going to go to pods and we're going to lose our annual games with the Alabama schools and at least one of the Mississippi schools.  Ugh.  A&M is still weird as a conference game, but I welcome it because LSU/A&M was always fun growing up.
In the remote hinterlands, far from the center of SEC power, comes this tale that we hear all the time. The SEC isn't going to have divisions and it isn't going to go to pods. Each team will have three permanent rivals and will play six other teams in home-and-home series, rotating after two years to play the remaining six teams in the same manner. It sounds much like a pod system, except that each team has different permanent rivals.
For example, if OU has Texas, Arkansas, and (one suggestion I've heard) Florida, that does not mean that Texas has OU, Arkansas, and Florida. Texas might have OU, Texas A&M, and Kentucky.
And so on and so forth . . . .
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #255 on: September 20, 2022, 05:18:16 PM »
This is one of the suggested setups for 3 perma-rivals.  Others have been floated that are mostly similar, with a few tweaks here and there. It works well for Texas, but I can't comment on whether or not it's the 3 most desirable for any other SEC fanbase.



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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #256 on: September 20, 2022, 05:28:08 PM »
The above was taken from this piece on "gatorcountry" so if it looks completely wrong from a die-hard SECSECSECer's view, blame those guys, not this B12 guy.

https://www.gatorcountry.com/feature/how-to-build-your-own-16-team-sec-schedule/

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #257 on: September 20, 2022, 05:56:47 PM »
It looks good to me from an OU perspective. I've seen Arkansas suggested over Mizzou for OU, but Texas-Arkansas and OU-Mizzou make better sense from an "ancient rivalry" point of view.

And, in regard to that, while old rivalries will be lost with the move to the SEC, some now-lost old rivalries will likely be restored.

LSU's permanent opponents (per that chart) might not meet with unbridled enthusiasm in Baton Rouge. Maybe Mike DeTiger could comment on that.

I heard on some show--maybe Finebaum's--that the idea is to divide the SEC into upper and lower divisions for scheduling purposes. Each upper-division team would get two permanent rivals from the upper division and one from the lower division. And vice-versa for each lower-division team. But I don't know how that would work over time. Would the "divisions" be reassessed periodically?
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #258 on: September 20, 2022, 08:32:08 PM »
I think that's silly.  Teams are constantly moving up and down.  Aside from Alabama and recently maybe Georgia, who is in their "upper division?"  LSU won the NC in 2019, would anyone consider them "upper division" right now?

Stupid idea.

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #259 on: September 20, 2022, 08:56:57 PM »
Yeah, probably unworkable.

But what happens when everybody wants Vanderbilt as one of their permanent rivals?
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #260 on: September 20, 2022, 10:02:28 PM »
Texas is 3-8-1 all time against Vanderbilt.  I'd love to start evening up that series! :)


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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #261 on: September 20, 2022, 10:27:22 PM »
just like everyone else in the SEC
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #262 on: September 21, 2022, 01:02:07 AM »
It's hard for me to measure how "iconic" the Bedlam rivalry is. Does College Football Nation really care about it?

From my perspective, it's a game that OU plays every year (usually near the end of the season) and nearly always wins. When OU wins, there's not much to brag about, as that's the norm. But when oSu* wins, Poke fans crow about it for years.

I suspect that the Pokes are secretly glad to see it go, even though the only time they sell out their 55,000-seat stadium is when Bedlam is played in Stillwater. They're going to be positioned as one of the top 2-3 programs in the Big 12-to-be, and an almost-annual loss to OU could mess up their CFP hopes. The oSu administration has not indicated any desire to continue it as an OOC rivalry on either an annual or occasional basis. OU might be willing to play oSu in a home-and-home series every decade or so, but to do it as an annual series does not fit in with its scheduling philosophy.

If OU were to establish an annual OOC series, I'd like it to be with Nebraska, not oSu.

* No disrespect intended. It's my simulation of the Oklahoma State University "brand" to avoid confusion, as there are two other "OSU's."
There was much discussion of this topic on sports radio today. FWIW, OU is maintaining that it would like the series to continue. So far, oSu has not rebutted this claim.
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #263 on: September 21, 2022, 09:42:21 AM »

LSU's permanent opponents (per that chart) might not meet with unbridled enthusiasm in Baton Rouge. Maybe Mike DeTiger could comment on that.

I don't think it's possible to make LSU fans happy.  In general, I mean....but specific to this conversation:

Texas A&M and Ole Miss would go a long way for the older fans, probably.  Younger fans would probably like to keep Auburn and Florida.  Both groups want to keep Alabama, I'm guessing.  It's just not possible.  Oklahoma won't move the needle much, no offense.  Swap OU out for either Alabama or Auburn, and we'd still complain about the losing the other one, but it's about as good as could be, imo.  

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #264 on: September 21, 2022, 11:17:25 AM »
That's pretty much what I thought. Specifically, that having OU as a permanent rival would not excite LSU fans.

And that's pretty much the same from the OU end, I think. Not that Sooner fans would hate LSU being a permanent rival, but LSU wouldn't be in the top 3 if it there put to a vote. And, likewise, no offense. 
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #265 on: September 21, 2022, 11:56:29 AM »
Permanent rivals or not you’re still going to play a lot of the SEC teams every year. IMO it will be better than what we have now. We’ve been in the SEC 10 years and only played UGa once. Never in CS. I think the direction I’m hearing is every team will play each other home and away at least once twice every four years. 

 

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