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Gigem · « **Reply #238 on:** September 20, 2022, 10:51:58 AM »

More sad news.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bedlam Series b/w Oklahoma & Oklahoma State is done when OU joins SEC, both ADs told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. Bedlam Series is latest iconic rivalry destroyed by conference realignment<a href="https://t.co/8okSJVAicK">https://t.co/8okSJVAicK</a></p>— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="
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CWSooner · « **Reply #239 on:** September 20, 2022, 11:14:21 AM »

It's hard for me to measure how "iconic" the Bedlam rivalry is. Does College Football Nation really care about it?

From my perspective, it's a game that OU plays every year (usually near the end of the season) and nearly always wins. When OU wins, there's not much to brag about, as that's the norm. But when oSu* wins, Poke fans crow about it for years.

I suspect that the Pokes are secretly glad to see it go, even though the only time they sell out their 55,000-seat stadium is when Bedlam is played in Stillwater. They're going to be positioned as one of the top 2-3 programs in the Big 12-to-be, and an almost-annual loss to OU could mess up their CFP hopes. The oSu administration has not indicated any desire to continue it as an OOC rivalry on either an annual or occasional basis. OU might be willing to play oSu in a home-and-home series every decade or so, but to do it as an annual series does not fit in with its scheduling philosophy.

If OU were to establish an annual OOC series, I'd like it to be with Nebraska, not oSu.

* No disrespect intended. It's my simulation of the Oklahoma State University "brand" to avoid confusion, as there are two other "OSU's."

utee94 · « **Reply #240 on:** September 20, 2022, 11:22:40 AM »

Quote from: CWSooner on September 20, 2022, 11:14:21 AM

It's hard for me to measure how "iconic" the Bedlam rivalry is. Does College Football Nation really care about it?

From my perspective, it's a game that OU plays every year (usually near the end of the season) and nearly always wins. When OU wins, there's not much to brag about, as that's the norm. But when oSu* wins, Poke fans crow about it for years.

I suspect that the Pokes are secretly glad to see it go, even though the only time they sell out their 55,000-seat stadium is when Bedlam is played in Stillwater. They're going to be positioned as one of the top 2-3 programs in the Big 12-to-be, and an almost-annual loss to OU could mess up their CFP hopes. The oSu administration has not indicated any desire to continue it as an OOC rivalry on either an annual or occasional basis. OU might be willing to play oSu in a home-and-home series every decade or so, but to do it as an annual series does not fit in with its scheduling philosophy.

If OU were to establish an annual OOC series, I'd like it to be with Nebraska, not oSu.

* No disrespect intended. It's my simulation of the Oklahoma State University "brand" to avoid confusion, as there are two other "OSU's."

This all makes sense to me. It's certainly not my place to tell Sooner or Cowboy fans they should care more about their rivalry than they actually do. I've experienced first-hand the criticism from fans of non-participating schools telling me that it was Texas' duty to schedule the Ags after they departed for the SEC, and that conversation never ceased to be a complete beating.

And even Mateo Grande Pequeno finally stopped bristling when we used that nomenclature, when we explained it was just a text representation of this:

FearlessF · « **Reply #241 on:** September 20, 2022, 11:43:19 AM »

it's really a good financial model to keep an instate rival game going

and obviously it's great for the fans of the two state schools

but, nationally most are no big deal

I think that those two reasons should be enough to keep those rivalries alive, but much smarter, more powerful people than I just aren't smarter

Gigem · « **Reply #242 on:** September 20, 2022, 11:47:56 AM »

Quote from: CWSooner on September 20, 2022, 11:14:21 AM

It's hard for me to measure how "iconic" the Bedlam rivalry is. Does College Football Nation really care about it?

From my perspective, it's a game that OU plays every year (usually near the end of the season) and nearly always wins. When OU wins, there's not much to brag about, as that's the norm. But when oSu* wins, Poke fans crow about it for years.

I suspect that the Pokes are secretly glad to see it go, even though the only time they sell out their 55,000-seat stadium is when Bedlam is played in Stillwater. They're going to be positioned as one of the top 2-3 programs in the Big 12-to-be, and an almost-annual loss to OU could mess up their CFP hopes. The oSu administration has not indicated any desire to continue it as an OOC rivalry on either an annual or occasional basis. OU might be willing to play oSu in a home-and-home series every decade or so, but to do it as an annual series does not fit in with its scheduling philosophy.

If OU were to establish an annual OOC series, I'd like it to be with Nebraska, not oSu.

* No disrespect intended. It's my simulation of the Oklahoma State University "brand" to avoid confusion, as there are two other "OSU's."

Seems like we had a few posters over the years that used the oSu without any repercussion, just like the aTm is frequently used. Weren't there a few more oSu posters over the years?

Anyways, I think oSu will indeed be in a good position, especially with the expanded playoff. I can easily see a 10-11 win Big 12 team getting in, while a good but 9 win Power 2 team getting left out. Maybe even a good 10 win power 2 team if there are alot of 10-12 win power 3 or G5 teams.

OU does in fact hold a large lead over the Cowboys. I know that UT holds a wide lead over the Aggies, but over the last ~50 years it's been somewhat even if not streaky. It was a shame that the 2011 Cowboys lost that game to ISU, could've been more to it. I think they won the Rose Bowl anyways? Just not considered for the title game.

utee94 · « **Reply #243 on:** September 20, 2022, 12:04:59 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on September 20, 2022, 11:43:19 AM

it's really a good financial model to keep an instate rival game going

Agree, of course.

Quote from: FearlessF on September 20, 2022, 11:43:19 AM

and obviously it's great for the fans of the two state schools

I don't necessarily agree with this, though. Right here a few posts up, C-Dubb is telling us he doesn't really value that rivalry. I've heard similar from other Oklahoma fans. So I don't think it's correct to say that "it's great for fans of the two state schools." Some might care, others have stated they do not.

Similarly CincyDawg has stated he doesn't value the UGA-GaTech rivalry all that much, and would be fine with it ceasing.

In my opinion, it's up to the schools, and the fans of those schools, to determine what is best for them. I don't get a say in it. I see a lot of 3rd party outsiders lamenting the loss of some of these rivalries, when the fans of the participating schools don't particularly care all that much.

FearlessF · « **Reply #244 on:** September 20, 2022, 12:19:39 PM »

yup, big brother usually doesn't value the game because of the risk reward

little brother LOVES the game for the risk reward

but, if truth be told, big brother would miss beating up on little brother eventually

you have to admit, beating the Aggies was some good fun for Horns fans

utee94 · « **Reply #245 on:** September 20, 2022, 12:35:30 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on September 20, 2022, 12:19:39 PM

yup, big brother usually doesn't value the game because of the risk reward

little brother LOVES the game for the risk reward

but, if truth be told, big brother would miss beating up on little brother eventually

you have to admit, beating the Aggies was some good fun for Horns fans

Oh I'm on record around here as missing the UT-TAMU game and wanting it to be played. That's one of the things I'm glad about, with joining the SEC. We'll get a chance to play all three of our historical traditional rivals regularly. Regional rivalries are part of what makes college football great.

FearlessF · « **Reply #246 on:** September 20, 2022, 12:57:52 PM »

nothing quite as regional as in-state!

utee94 · « **Reply #247 on:** September 20, 2022, 01:27:30 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on September 20, 2022, 12:57:52 PM

nothing quite as regional as in-state!

But if those state schools don't care about it, I can't tell them they should be playing it.

FearlessF · « **Reply #248 on:** September 20, 2022, 01:29:59 PM »

understood

CWSooner · « **Reply #249 on:** September 20, 2022, 02:42:25 PM »

Along the same line, the Bedlam series is fine as a conference rivalry. It even worked for awhile as sort of a substitute for OU-Nebraska in that it was scheduled late in the year. But the Big 12 did not stick with that concept.

But you only get 3 or 4 OOC games, and I think that it's going to be 3 in the SEC. If you want to have a top-25 opponent every year, and you want to spread those opponents out geographically for recruiting purposes, there goes one of the games. Oklahoma State is currently a regular top-25 program. But it doesn't do much from the geographical perspective.

If OU would continue scheduling Ohio State, Clemson, Michigan, and their ilk, plus an OOC game with oSu, that would be fine with me.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #250 on:** September 20, 2022, 03:41:16 PM »

I'm a sucker for in-state rivalries and any with a lot of history. I'm an oddball, though, and probably don't represent "the college football world." I really like U-Dubb/Wazzu, Oregon/Or. St., ASU/Zona....all those. Not sure how many games they've played how often, but they've all played every year that I've been paying attention.

Ergo, I like the OU/oSu game.

I expect everything to annoy me eventually, as the college sport shortly achieves it's not-so-slow march to being the NFL Part 2.

Pretty sure the SEC is going to go to pods and we're going to lose our annual games with the Alabama schools and at least one of the Mississippi schools. Ugh.  A&M is still weird as a conference game, but I welcome it because LSU/A&M was always fun growing up.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #251 on:** September 20, 2022, 03:53:16 PM »

What I will appreciate is that when Texas comes aboard, the LHN will die an overdue death, so I am reliably informed.

Three games so far this year, and we couldn't watch two of them. The wins, no less.

You might wonder why I care, well Mrs. DeTiger is a Longhorn, and you know what they say, happy wife, happy life.

To exacerbate her weekend, CBS had the Cowboys game--the object of her NFL fandom--and for some reason put it in the same time slot as the Texans. Meaning we got Texans/Broncos and the Cowboys game was not available. I have never seen that in all my years living in or near Texas.

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