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Topic: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important

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utee94

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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2019, 09:13:49 AM »
ESPN serves its own agenda and is a complete farce.  

I'd rather almost ANY other entity make the selections, but ESPN pays for the tournament, so ESPN gets to make the selections.

And no thanks on a 6-team version, giving byes is stupid IMO.  Every team should play the same number of games.
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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2019, 09:16:54 AM »
I tend to think ESPN's influence is far less than most seem to think, especially over the Committee.

Maybe that's because I ignore them personally with they tongue wagging shows.  I think the Committee has gotten it right, pretty much, though I would have made a few different choices for #4.  Doesn't mean I'm right, and one of those 4 picks won it all.
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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2019, 11:24:51 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 31, 2019, 09:16:54 AM
I tend to think ESPN's influence is far less than most seem to think, especially over the Committee.

Maybe that's because I ignore them personally with they tongue wagging shows.  I think the Committee has gotten it right, pretty much, though I would have made a few different choices for #4.  Doesn't mean I'm right, and one of those 4 picks won it all.

I'm not sure why you would think this?  ESPN owns the committee.  ESPN pays for the entire CFP.  They bought the CFP, and they pay for the Committee.  They are the ONLY entity that pays for the CFP and the committee.  They have ABSOLUTE control over the committee.

That you tend to agree with their choices is another discussion, but there's no debate on this one-- the committee does exclusively what ESPN desires.
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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2019, 12:03:37 PM »
both y'all have had this debate more than a few times, but carry on
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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2019, 12:04:30 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 30, 2019, 11:55:53 PM
I don't even like what we have now, but that's largely due to the subjective nature of ESPN's selection committee.

That's why one thing I DO like about a potential 8-team playoff, would be IF the subjectivity were partially removed by forcing the use of the objective criterion of "P5 champs only, earn the autobids."  Then of course ESPN could still worm in Notre Dame or backdoor a second undeserving SEC team using at-large, but at least for every team in the P5, you know before the season the one guaranteed way to get into the CFP. 

And sure you might get a 9-4 type team as a conference champion, but that's actually a fault of the conference and how it selects its champion, not a fault of the playoff.  If conferences played full roundrobins and no CCG, you'd reduce the chance of a total clunker team making the playoff.
partially removed?!?!?!?

WTH???
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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2019, 12:12:11 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 31, 2019, 12:04:30 PM
partially removed?!?!?!?

WTH???

Not sure what you're not understanding?

Currently the process is entirely subjective.

Using the criterion of P5 conference-champ auto-bid would make that portion objective, however, still having 3 at-large bids would retain partial subjectivity in the process.

I don't much like it, but I'd be willing to live with it, if we got the auto-bids for conference champs portion implemented, and also enacted rules against more than 2 teams from any conference.  Seems like a decent compromise to me.
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« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2019, 01:27:47 PM »
yes, it's partial and a "decent" compromise

I just hope if things change, we get better
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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2019, 01:53:45 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 31, 2019, 01:27:47 PM
yes, it's partial and a "decent" compromise

I just hope if things change, we get better
I'm not as vehement about all this as I once was, indeed these days it's largely an academic exercise for me.  I watch about 1/20th the amount of college football that I did a decade ago, and probably about 1/50th the amount of NFL. 

Things are going to continue to change, and probably not to my liking, and nobody is ever going to consult me on it, so what to do what to do?



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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2019, 05:47:48 PM »
https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2019/4/3/governance.aspx

I'm not seeing where ESPN is involved.  That doesn't mean they aren't of course.  There are some impressive names "colluding" if ESPN is running the show.

Who at ESPN makes the decisions behind the scenes?  They just feed these to the committee?
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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2019, 06:28:37 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 31, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2019/4/3/governance.aspx

I'm not seeing where ESPN is involved.  That doesn't mean they aren't of course.  There are some impressive names "colluding" if ESPN is running the show.

Who at ESPN makes the decisions behind the scenes?  They just feed these to the committee?

ESPN pays all of the bills.  ALL of them.  Do you think the "governance" is simply going to say "ESPN."

And yes, the powers that be at ESPN feed them to the committee.  Why wouldn't they?  
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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2019, 08:21:36 PM »
I personally do not think ESPN influences the committee. Maybe that is naive.
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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2019, 08:47:34 AM »
I think it's extremely naive.  I guess we can leave it at that. :)
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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2019, 10:07:26 AM »
Without evidence, it's speculation.  Maybe, maybe not.  I don't see how they can do it effectively.  Who is ESPN anyway?  Do they meet and decide which 4th team brings the highest ratings and then send that message down the line?  What if the committee laughs and ignores the message?

Sounds like conspiracy stuff to me.
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Re: OU-Texas title game possibility makes RRS slightly less important
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2019, 11:12:03 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 01, 2019, 10:07:26 AM
Without evidence, it's speculation.  Maybe, maybe not.  I don't see how they can do it effectively.  Who is ESPN anyway?  Do they meet and decide which 4th team brings the highest ratings and then send that message down the line?  What if the committee laughs and ignores the message?

Sounds like conspiracy stuff to me.
Of course it does. *shrug*
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