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« Reply #5516 on: Today at 12:51:24 PM »
As predicted, Texas got the #1 seed and OU the #2 seed in the NCAA Softball Tournament. A WCWS finals match-up would be a great way to leave the Big 12.
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« Reply #5517 on: Today at 01:01:45 PM »
As predicted, Texas got the #1 seed and OU the #2 seed in the NCAA Softball Tournament. A WCWS finals match-up would be a great way to leave the Big 12.

Where the Sooner women would once again get to enjoy home field advantage in the WCWS.

Seems pretty cheaty to me.

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« Reply #5518 on: Today at 01:13:17 PM »
Congrats to the Sooner softballers.  Splitting the conference championship this year is a better result than most expected for the Horns.  Still, I wouldn't mind seeing that tournament played somewhere other than OKC, I have to admit.  Not exactly fair for the Sooners to always get homefield advantage...
Congrats to Texas for winning the regular-season championship, which I think counts for more in the minds of the people who seed the NCAA tournament. And rightly so, IMO.
If you're talking about the conference tournament always being played in OKC, I agree that it is not fair. (FoSu doesn't complain, FWIW.) It makes economic sense, because more tickets can be sold, but it's not fair.
However, a somewhat similar situation has existed with the last 9 football CCGs, which have all been played in Arlington. With OU and Texas leaving, Baylor will be the beneficiary of that arrangement.
I won't be surprised if the next Big 12 softball championship is held in Tucson. U of A has a significantly larger stadium than any of the other 16-teams in the next-generation Big 12 will have. Next is BYU, then ASU. Maybe the tournament could rotate between those three schools.
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« Reply #5519 on: Today at 01:17:17 PM »
Where the Sooner women would once again get to enjoy home field advantage in the WCWS.

Seems pretty cheaty to me.
Hah!
No more cheaty than the CWS being played in Omaha every year since dinosaurs roamed the earth.
And, if not in OKC, which invested the money to build the best softball facility in America, where should it be held?
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« Reply #5520 on: Today at 01:55:46 PM »
Hah!
No more cheaty than the CWS being played in Omaha every year since dinosaurs roamed the earth.
And, if not in OKC, which invested the money to build the best softball facility in America, where should it be held?
Simple solution you already offered upthread-- rotate it.

And I'll certainly agree that the CWS being held in Omaha every year isn't exactly fair, but at the same time, the University of Nebraska isn't nearly as successful in baseball, as the University of Oklahoma is in softball. So the Huskers aren't receiving nearly as much benefit as the Sooners.

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« Reply #5521 on: Today at 02:30:13 PM »
UGA is starting to do pretty well in other sports except basketball, where they seem doomed coach after coach after coach.

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« Reply #5522 on: Today at 02:45:10 PM »
Simple solution you already offered upthread-- rotate it.
Simple, yes. Easy to do, maybe not.
Do you have candidates for rotational sites for the WCWS?

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And I'll certainly agree that the CWS being held in Omaha every year isn't exactly fair, but at the same time, the University of Nebraska isn't nearly as successful in baseball, as the University of Oklahoma is in softball. So the Huskers aren't receiving nearly as much benefit as the Sooners.
If the Huskers got better in baseball, would you be in favor of rotating the CWS?
Have you been in favor of rotating the Big 12 CCG?
Speaking of football, there are many examples of venues favoring a particular team or conference. CCGs in the P5/4 conferences are at fixed locations. And they favor some teams over other teams. All of the bowl games that are important in determining the national championship--currently Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, Cotton, and Peach--favor particular teams or conferences. And to a significant extent that has been going on for many decades.
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« Reply #5523 on: Today at 02:52:46 PM »
Yeah, UGA has to play the Gators in the Gator BOWL each year, talk about bias.

Then they have to travel all the way to Atlanta to play the SEC CG, in what once was called the Georgia Dome, but isn't now.  

I never thought baseball had much HFA.

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« Reply #5524 on: Today at 03:12:01 PM »
Simple, yes. Easy to do, maybe not.
Do you have candidates for rotational sites for the WCWS?

Sure, any of the places you mentioned for rotating the B12 tourney.  Or Austin.  Los Angeles.  Etc.

If the Huskers got better in baseball, would you be in favor of rotating the CWS?

Yeah, probably. If they were constantly playing in the CWS finals in front of their home base, the way OU does in softball, then I'd consider it to be a major problem with the choice of location.

Have you been in favor of rotating the Big 12 CCG?

Of course.  It used to rotate and I was good with that.  Texas won the first ever B12 conference championship in St. Louis.


Speaking of football, there are many examples of venues favoring a particular team or conference. CCGs in the P5/4 conferences are at fixed locations. And they favor some teams over other teams. All of the bowl games that are important in determining the national championship--currently Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, Cotton, and Peach--favor particular teams or conferences. And to a significant extent that has been going on for many decades.

So what?  Doesn't make it right or fair. 


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« Reply #5525 on: Today at 03:51:06 PM »
Yeah, UGA has to play the Gators in the Gator BOWL each year, talk about bias.

Then they have to travel all the way to Atlanta to play the SEC CG, in what once was called the Georgia Dome, but isn't now. 

I never thought baseball had much HFA.
To be fair, UGa doesn't HAVE to play the gators at the Gator bowl.  Both parties have to be in favor of a neutral site.  

I never understood why something like the CWS is ALWAYS played in Omaha.  Maybe tradition?  Is the womens CWS always played in Oklahoma?  

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« Reply #5526 on: Today at 06:19:52 PM »
. . . I never understood why something like the CWS is ALWAYS played in Omaha.  Maybe tradition?  Is the womens CWS always played in Oklahoma? 
Under AIAW auspices, it was played in Omaha from 1969 to 1979. Then it was played in Norman from 1980 to 1982. The NCAA then began sponsoring the event in 1982, and in that year two competing WCWS events were held. The NCCA version held it in Omaha from 1982 to 1987. Then it was played in Sunnyvale, California for two years. It has been played in Oklahoma City from 1990 to the present.
In 1990, the OU softball team was playing at Reaves Park, a City of Norman public park with six softball fields and a similar number of flag football field. We played intramural softball and flag football there when I was in college in the 1970s.
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« Reply #5527 on: Today at 06:25:59 PM »
Sure, any of the places you mentioned for rotating the B12 tourney.  Or Austin.  Los Angeles.  Etc.
Do any of those places have a 13,000-seat softball park?
There is a bit of irony in a Longhorn fan complaining about the unfairness of it all.
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