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Topic: Texas struggling with Kansas?

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Mr Tulip

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2019, 11:13:21 AM »
Most teams with our injury list would be playing backup LBs as Safeties and hoping to hang on.

Now, the notion that I've got some brilliant idea to make it better is obviously stupid. The coaches are paid tons of cash because they're light years better at fixing this than I am.

However, small things should be noted. In particular, when was the last time rushing 3 achieved the desired effect? Our defense is built on aggression, and the longer you give a Big 12 offense, the more you're likely to suffer a long completion. Always bring at least four, keep the OL guessing, and bring 5 or more on 3rd and more than 6.

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2019, 11:15:41 AM »
Most teams with our injury list would be playing backup LBs as Safeties and hoping to hang on.

Now, the notion that I've got some brilliant idea to make it better is obviously stupid. The coaches are paid tons of cash because they're light years better at fixing this than I am.

However, small things should be noted. In particular, when was the last time rushing 3 achieved the desired effect? Our defense is built on aggression, and the longer you give a Big 12 offense, the more you're likely to suffer a long completion. Always bring at least four, keep the OL guessing, and bring 5 or more on 3rd and more than 6.
I couldnt agree more

at least 4 should be on the line
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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2019, 12:54:46 PM »
Most teams with our injury list would be playing backup LBs as Safeties and hoping to hang on.

Now, the notion that I've got some brilliant idea to make it better is obviously stupid. The coaches are paid tons of cash because they're light years better at fixing this than I am.

However, small things should be noted. In particular, when was the last time rushing 3 achieved the desired effect? Our defense is built on aggression, and the longer you give a Big 12 offense, the more you're likely to suffer a long completion. Always bring at least four, keep the OL guessing, and bring 5 or more on 3rd and more than 6.

That is not some kind of panacea.  It absolutely depends on the QB, and to a lesser extent the line in front of him.  Sending more guys on some teams is literally begging to get burnt.  Some guys can have extra time but can't process 8 in coverage and they freeze.  It's not black and white.  There's always a balance between what "you" do well and what your opponent does well, and knowing when to rely on your strength vs. attacking their weakness.  On the days the two align, you get blowouts.  Most of the time, you have decisions to make.  

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2019, 12:59:41 PM »
I just fear it's starting to show that Herman is an offensive coach, and I'm not in a hurry to become Houston just yet.

Orlando fielded some good defenses for Houston and was/is pretty highly regarded.  Maybe he needs help in getting his players to buy in to what he's teaching and not abandon it at the first sign of adrenaline (see:  Maryland games), but having an offensive HC does not necessarily condemn a team to lackluster defense.  

Actually Texas sits in a very good position imo when they overcome a few minor hurdles.  They have the talent, Orlando schemes well, and the offense not only scores well, they know how to take their time doing it.  Good recipes for defense.  I wouldn't underestimate the effect of losing those guys in the secondary.  

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2019, 01:55:10 PM »
That is not some kind of panacea.  It absolutely depends on the QB, and to a lesser extent the line in front of him.  Sending more guys on some teams is literally begging to get burnt.  Some guys can have extra time but can't process 8 in coverage and they freeze.  It's not black and white.  There's always a balance between what "you" do well and what your opponent does well, and knowing when to rely on your strength vs. attacking their weakness.  On the days the two align, you get blowouts.  Most of the time, you have decisions to make. 

I fully agree that it isn't some panacea. However, I cannot find many instances at all where rushing 3 works out. It's just a straightforward course, against the Texas defense, of hanging around until your receivers lose their marks. It doesn't matter how long a QB freezes. Against a 3 man Texas rush, he just has to stand there until the situation becomes clear, because it always does.

To be clear, I don't have a problem with the 3 man front. Actually, I like it a lot (although possibly let Keondre Coburn stay on the field). I'm just suggesting that, certainly when the pass is far more likely, Texas should bring extra bodies - the more unpredictable, the better, but always bring more. The chances of a successful stop, even including things like a misfire or dropped pass, go up when the time isn't limitless.

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2019, 02:02:13 PM »
Well, near the goal line like that, I probably agree, best to send at least 4.  Again, it depends on the guys you send as well, though.  If you have a merely good or great DL, I'd tend to send 4 or more.  If I have a tackle named Suh or Dorsey, or Williams.....meh....I might still just rush 3.  There won't be time for the QB to stand there no matter what.  

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2019, 05:11:10 PM »
Without commenting on his sportsmanship, if you have Suh on the field, everyone else needs to stand next to a receiver while he throws bodies out of the way until one of them is the QB or otherwise has the football.

I'm not speaking of general defensive tactics. I'm speaking specifically of the abilities Texas has on defense at the moment. Right now, they should never try to defend with 8 while pressuring with 3. The three will never ever threaten the QB, and a receiver will eventually come open. I wish this weren't the case, but it's repeated itself too often.


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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2019, 07:28:29 PM »
obviously the same nod to outstanding talent pertains to the back 8 as it does to the front 3

if you have talented, intelligent, instinctive secondary personnel, dropping 8 works better 
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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2019, 08:31:12 PM »
obviously the same nod to outstanding talent pertains to the back 8 as it does to the front 3

if you have talented, intelligent, instinctive secondary personnel, dropping 8 works better
we dont do talented, intelligent or instructive and we dont tackle either
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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2019, 09:40:19 PM »
then you may as well send 5 or 6, whatever it takes to heat up the college QB and force him to beat you under pressure
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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2019, 09:54:57 PM »
I'm not speaking of general defensive tactics. I'm speaking specifically of the abilities Texas has on defense at the moment. Right now, they should never try to defend with 8 while pressuring with 3. The three will never ever threaten the QB, and a receiver will eventually come open. I wish this weren't the case, but it's repeated itself too often.

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Re: Texas struggling with Kansas?
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2019, 12:31:50 AM »
Sounds like a case of BigXII defense...


The plus side is a new term:  twelving.  When both teams score 40+ points, it's now called 'twelving'.

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