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I like the abbreviated quote better.  Makes him sound more a-hole-y. 

After going from conference board to conference board, one thing is clear.  The SEC did a pre-emptive nuclear strike on all the other conferences.  There is no magical realignment that is going to make things equal for any of the other conferences.
In the Big 12, the best remaining school in terms of value is OSU and they look better than any school the conference could poach (Cincy, Houston, Memphis, et. al).  It looks to me that their best course is to stand pat and schedule tough non cons to get more attention.  Looking at the TV chart someone here provided, I would estimate they could get something like $12-$15 mil per school.  That would be much better than the AAC.  They would be desirable for non-con games for the major conferences.

I think the B12 can make it as a conference, but they're going to have to get up to 10 teams if they want to retain their CCG (And the money that goes along with it).

There are some decent options to add, though, that we've already discussed on this thread.

Seriously would anybody watch a Kansas State Baylor Big 12 CCG?  I probably would not. 

There is just not much interest in the XII without OU/Texas really. 

On that note and since I'm too lazy to look it up when was the last XII championship game without OU or Texas playing (or both?)?  I realize the game was discontinued for 6-8 years.  Was it A&M/KSU?  My memory tells me it was this:

96  NU/Tx Tx shocks NU
97  NU/A&M  NU blows A&M out and everybody else for that matter
98  A&M/KSU A&M shocks #1 KSU kills their chance at MNC
99  Tex/NU  NU's 1 defeat of Tx as a conference member (game was a rematch)
00  OU/  (cannot remember the opponent but OU won the MNC that year)  I think this game was rematch
01  Tex/CU  CU stuns Tx after Tx beat them earlier
02  OU/ ?
03  OU/KSU (KSU shocked OU in this one)
04  OU / ?
05  TX/CU (Tx didn't let the earlier game repeat!)
06  OU/?
07  OU/?
08  OU/?
09 TX/NEB (the famous 1 second left)
10  OU/?  (I remember this because A&M beat OU but tied for 1st in Big XII South). 
11  Did we play CCG this year?  NU/CU were already gone. 

I really don't know much about the CCG after we left the conference other than it was skipped for awhile until the "one true champion debacle".  I know OU/Tx played each other in one, and I think ISU played OU last year.  Seems like Mizzou was in there a time or two as well but I can't recall the year.  Maybe it was one of the OU/? ones I forgot? 

What teams never played in the CCG?  KU, oSu (they won the conference when CCG was halted), TT, Baylor, TCU,

Was that all from memory or did you look it up? I am astounded I remembered most of the first ten years pretty accurately.

You left off oSu from the list of teams that never played for the CCG.  

Not from memory.

I fixed the omission.

Certainly don't want to forget oSu.

Not from memory.

I fixed the omission.

Certainly don't want to forget oSu.

It's a god damn shame they missed that FG in 2011 which kept them from playing for the MNC.  That was a fine team indeed, I think Big Matt was still around and mighty proud.  

To me that is the only real difference between a helmet school and a non-helmet school.  The helmet school is allowed one or maybe even two uh-oh's a year and can still get in like OU did in 2003 and Alabama has done more than once.  KSU, oSu, one uh oh or even almost uh oh and it's all over.  

I've had some time to reflect on what the XII should do and I really think they would be better served in staying together and trying to get the best of the rest to join and keep the XII a viable conference.  

My reasoning is this:  What good does the money do?  Join another conference if your lucky, maybe the B1G or PAC, but after all these years nothing has changed for ISU or TT or most of the others.  Sure, Baylor I think won a conference championship, I think TCU did.  Maybe they won one at the same time (one true champion right?).  But it was not when OU was strong, Texas was definitely not strong.  Once OU got their groove back it's the same ol same ol.  6 straight Big 12 champs.  And I'm not even sure it was that close looking at the CCG scores.  

Get the giants out, figure out what you can draw in revenue, and make the best of it.  Then maybe you can get lucky like TCU did and find yourself in position to win a Rose Bowl or maybe even another big bowl game where the opponents starters opted out like UF in '20.  I'd much rather be winning in a little  or less presitigious conference than losing in a big one.  Heck you can still schedule some good out of conference games with the big boys and still have something to play for.