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Cincydawg

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #182 on: September 04, 2021, 07:09:40 AM »
For football, I would probably have Oklahoma State tops for helmetosity.

But, they are all about the same really.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #183 on: September 04, 2021, 08:49:01 AM »
BYU is up there too, maybe a little above the Pokes?

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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #184 on: September 04, 2021, 09:23:39 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 04, 2021, 07:09:40 AM
For football, I would probably have Oklahoma State tops for helmetosity.

But, they are all about the same really.
gee, that's a low bar
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #185 on: September 04, 2021, 11:36:58 AM »
At a cursory glance it appears as though BYU is the only one that has ever won a NC. 

Kansas St and W Virginia maybe have a little something to them that isn't there with the others. 

UCF is probably bringing up the rear. They moved up to FBS in the late 90s, and once went winless in the MAC. 

Houston and Cincy once played for last place in CUSA on the final week of the 1998 season. Houston lost. 

Kansas and Iowa St are also pretty far down the totem pole. 

The good news is that the majority are a lot better now than they were historically, I suppose. 
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« Reply #186 on: September 04, 2021, 12:42:58 PM »
If the new Big 12 was smart they would schedule smart as well.  Avoid playing teams like Alabama and Ohio State and schedule games vs. schools that have name recognition but maybe not a lot of recent success.  Arkansas and maybe Auburn from the SEC, Minnesota from the B1G, USC or UCLA from the PAC type programs.  Let the conference schedule the games with input from the schools even.  They should court wins vs name games, because the perception will be that the Big 12 is weak, but winning vs any SEC team or B1G/PAC team will help some of that.  Cincy should play Kentucky and UCF should play USCe.  

Have one or two marquee games per season, the best of the B12 vs maybe the 2nd tier SEC or B1G teams.  Might be hard to do with games schedule almost 10 years into the future but there is no real need to schedule those games that far in advance.  Everybody needs games, keep that schedule tight into the short future.  
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #187 on: September 04, 2021, 09:16:56 PM »
Quote from: Thumper on September 04, 2021, 12:13:38 AM
I think the bowl tie-ins are the most important part of keeping the Big 12.  The CCG and Sugar Bowl games alone were a big revenue generator for the conference.  I would also think the new Big 12 would be all for the 12 team playoff as they could get an automatic bid if those are given to conference champions.
I really wish the best for our old conference mates and I hope they are successful.
Same here, Thumper.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #188 on: September 04, 2021, 09:25:11 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on September 04, 2021, 12:37:13 AM
How would you rank the 12 teams in the new Big 12, by the metric of "helmetiness"?
Something like this.

BYU
Oklahoma State
West Virginia
TCU
Kansas State
Texas Tech
UCF
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Baylor
Houston
Kansas





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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #189 on: September 07, 2021, 12:49:42 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on September 04, 2021, 12:42:58 PM
If the new Big 12 was smart they would schedule smart as well.  Avoid playing teams like Alabama and Ohio State and schedule games vs. schools that have name recognition but maybe not a lot of recent success.  Arkansas and maybe Auburn from the SEC, Minnesota from the B1G, USC or UCLA from the PAC type programs.  Let the conference schedule the games with input from the schools even.  They should court wins vs name games, because the perception will be that the Big 12 is weak, but winning vs any SEC team or B1G/PAC team will help some of that.  Cincy should play Kentucky and UCF should play USCe. 

Have one or two marquee games per season, the best of the B12 vs maybe the 2nd tier SEC or B1G teams.  Might be hard to do with games schedule almost 10 years into the future but there is no real need to schedule those games that far in advance.  Everybody needs games, keep that schedule tight into the short future. 
easier said than done
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #190 on: September 07, 2021, 04:20:27 PM »
That's my concern. The bad news is, the Big 12 is a nothing. The good news is, now there's more of it.

The Big 12 always played passionate football between themselves. Even with Texas and OU gone, there's still plenty of history and rivalry. The problem is, no one else cares. To turn on TVs, there's has to be national relevance. Iowa State is doing its level best, but Matt Campbell is a phone call away from regression to the mean.

I just don't see how any serious dollars could be thrown at it. Advertisers won't get the money back.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #191 on: September 07, 2021, 07:50:03 PM »
Quote from: Mr Tulip on September 07, 2021, 04:20:27 PM
That's my concern. The bad news is, the Big 12 is a nothing. The good news is, now there's more of it.

The Big 12 always played passionate football between themselves. Even with Texas and OU gone, there's still plenty of history and rivalry. The problem is, no one else cares. To turn on TVs, there's has to be national relevance. Iowa State is doing its level best, but Matt Campbell is a phone call away from regression to the mean.

I just don't see how any serious dollars could be thrown at it. Advertisers won't get the money back.
The reality of that is why I think Pete Thamel's out-of-the-box suggestions make sense.  Play on days and and at times when nobody else will play, for example.
He also recommended going to a 16-team conference to decapitate all the lower conferences.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #192 on: September 07, 2021, 10:06:34 PM »
trying to stay ahead of the MAC

desperation
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #193 on: September 07, 2021, 11:08:40 PM »
Who they are trying to stay ahead of is the AAC, and they have widened the gap considerably by poaching their top teams. 
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #194 on: September 08, 2021, 09:16:20 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on September 07, 2021, 07:50:03 PM
The reality of that is why I think Pete Thamel's out-of-the-box suggestions make sense.  Play on days and and at times when nobody else will play, for example.
He also recommended going to a 16-team conference to decapitate all the lower conferences.
It's not awful, but this basically describes the MWC.

If I had to plan, I'd hope that last season nationally placed a renewed emphasis on decent scheduling. The oSu's and TCU's of the conference could seize on that and schedule some nationally relevant games. Not one, but 2 or 3 per year against credible P5 conference contenders.

The Big 12 has been OU and "when will Texas stop sucking" for a decade. While internally they play great ball, there's no reason for the nation to care about them. The nation won't until they start affecting the national races. Otherwise, a Big 12 champion that survived 9 dogfights to go 7-2 in conference is easily dismissed.
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Re: Big XII Realignment
« Reply #195 on: September 08, 2021, 09:30:11 AM »
Ed Zachery
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