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Topic: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away

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nwms

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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2023, 10:14:42 AM »
uh no that is plain as day but idk how much it matters.  r/a has already made for strange bedfellows what's two more.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2023, 10:31:46 AM »
Quote from: nwms on August 02, 2023, 10:14:42 AM
uh no that is plain as day but idk how much it matters.  r/a has already made for strange bedfellows what's two more.

Well then there's the fact that viewership numbers for Oregon and Washington are lower than the B1G average, which means that they both carry more away from the table, than they bring.

So, why would they be added?  Neither exist in fertile recruiting grounds, neither pull large television numbers, neither have large national followings.  There's really no reason at all to add them.  The B1G would be much wiser to look in the direction of Florida.  Which, from the rumors, is precisely what they're doing.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2023, 08:18:09 AM »
as opposed to the yahoo “rumors” re: cal/stanford/uw/uo?

none of them are worth the paper they’re written on idk why anyone would put stock in any of them after close to 15yrs of made up stories on the subject until something actually occurs.  

the acc powers would have bounced yrs ago were they able to do so and surely will eventually - whether that’s imminent……they have barriers the pac schools don’t obv.

as far as why uo/uw would necessarily be added the la schools presumably would like travel partners and they are the best brands available in that general direction.  

you seem so certain which i find odd after so many twists and turns and rumors reported as facts over the years.  i am anything but at this point.

cal and stanford are worthless although i guess they are a cultural fit comparatively speaking.  
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2023, 08:41:33 AM »
I'm dead certain that if the B1G adds Oregon it will be a hilariously bad fit and it'll make me smile and laugh.

So anyway
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #46 on: August 03, 2023, 09:07:04 AM »
idc what any of them do at this point it’s pretty wrecked.  2010-2011 fears coming to pass although it doesn’t look exactly the same as i thought it would.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2023, 09:55:43 AM »
More change was inevitable, the disparity between league payouts coming from the SEC and the B1G, contrasted with all the other conferences, was inevitably going to lead to the helmet schools ultimately having to move to one of those two conferences.  Everything else is just fallout.

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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2023, 10:14:17 AM »
ya that’s exactly right

the other thing is looking further back it was always going to happen regardless of who the early movers were or weren’t, $ talks and someone was always going to come calling and they’re all merc’s with varying options.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #49 on: August 03, 2023, 10:34:15 AM »
Yup.  The moment the B1G and SEC started driving large disparity in revenue, all the rest was inevitable.  There's just no way a school like USC or Texas, can sit back and watch Northwestern and Vanderbilt bringing in $80M/year, while sitting at $35M/year.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2023, 11:13:10 AM »
I think a conference could add a UW/UO for geographic "parity" and balancing and/or to get to a good number of teams, you might like getting to 20.

Would you rather add Stanford/Cal over UW/UO?
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #51 on: August 03, 2023, 11:17:40 AM »
I assume we're talking about the B12 here?  Because I don't think ANY of them add anything to the B1G or SEC.

I guess MAYBE Stanford could act as a lure to help bring Notre Dame into the B1G?  That's about the only value I see.

Now from the B12's perspective, I think Oregon/UDub are decent adds.

I don't think Stanford/Cal bring anything at all, their TV ratings and attendance and national interest are all below average for the New B12.

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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #52 on: August 03, 2023, 12:08:32 PM »
I agree with utee that the B12 thus far has responded quite well considering what they were dealt.  The Pac hasn't responded publically.  The ACC is hiding behind the GoR deal that lasts until 3123 AD.

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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2023, 01:03:04 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2023, 12:08:32 PM
I agree with utee that the B12 thus far has responded quite well considering what they were dealt.  The Pac hasn't responded publically.  The ACC is hiding behind the GoR deal that lasts until 3123 AD.



The ACC might be hiding but FSU sure isn't.  They're quite pissed that Central Florida will be making a significantly larger amount of money than them, over the next decade-plus.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2023, 01:18:26 PM »
Nobody's ever actually attempted to pierce a GOR in court. I personally don't think it's as sound as it's being made out to be. I'll be interested to see the arguments FSU intends to make.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2023, 01:34:55 PM »
Quote from: Mr Tulip on August 03, 2023, 01:18:26 PM
Nobody's ever actually attempted to pierce a GOR in court. I personally don't think it's as sound as it's being made out to be. I'll be interested to see the arguments FSU intends to make.

Yeah I think that Texas and OU decided waiting another year would actually be beneficial to them and didn't push it.  But they weren't staring down another 13 years of being financially inferior to... Central Florida.  I won't be at all surprised to see FSU mount a real challenge to the GOR.  
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