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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #168 on: October 12, 2023, 05:43:52 PM »
Some of East Texas could be considered culturally "Southern."  The rest of the state is not, with the West and the South being DISTINCTLY not.

But yes, since the "New SEC" is linked by state border-to-border, it's still significantly more geographically cohesive than the B1G, B12, and ACC.
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« Reply #169 on: October 13, 2023, 12:38:18 AM »
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« Reply #170 on: October 13, 2023, 10:59:03 AM »
He's correct....Nashville should absolutely have it's Southern status revoked.  Buncha hipsters with Macbooks sitting around coffee shops talking about their latest activism.  
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #171 on: October 13, 2023, 11:48:08 AM »
Calli's map is better than Matt's.  Only the eastern portion of Texas should be included, West Texas is nothing like The South and South Texas down into the RGV is about as far from "Southern" as you can get, other than the fact that Tejano and Zydeco both make heavy use of the accordion.

And I don't think of Oklahoma as Southern at all.

I can't really speak to Nashville, I've only briefly visited a couple of times, but I suspect he's right about Atlanta.  It seems to be almost as hipster as Austin these days.
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« Reply #172 on: October 13, 2023, 12:51:51 PM »
Do they speak with a drawl.  That’s my criteria. All the people I associate with do, thus we’re southern. This includes my Hispanic and black friends. 
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« Reply #173 on: October 13, 2023, 12:57:14 PM »
I don't know.  Every time Hollywood tries to make a movie about Texans, they end up forcing the actors into some kind of Georgia-style Deep South accent.  The Texas accent is not a Deep South accent, they're not even particularly close.

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« Reply #174 on: October 13, 2023, 12:59:43 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on October 13, 2023, 12:51:51 PM
Do they speak with a drawl.  That’s my criteria. All the people I associate with do, thus we’re southern. This includes my Hispanic and black friends.
additional criteria you should use

1 are there more then 2 dogs on the front porch

2 do they go to family reunions looking for dates

3 is there more then 1 junk car in the back yard

4 does their house have wheels



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« Reply #175 on: October 13, 2023, 02:05:50 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 13, 2023, 11:48:08 AM
Calli's map is better than Matt's.  Only the eastern portion of Texas should be included, West Texas is nothing like The South and South Texas down into the RGV is about as far from "Southern" as you can get, other than the fact that Tejano and Zydeco both make heavy use of the accordion.

Arguably, Texas could not be included at all, since Texas is kinda....Texas....moreso than Southern.  Granted there are similarities. 

But here in SETX, it's pretty Southern, and this area has more in common with Louisiana than Austin or certainly El Paso/Brownsville, or even College Station.  From my working days, I think East Texas, which I define as Lufkin, Tyler, etc. is also pretty Southern, though distinctly Texan in other ways.  I'm not sure how far you have to go to leave that.  Although College Station was a whole different animal than central Texas, it never felt very Southern to me.  YMMV.  
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« Reply #176 on: October 13, 2023, 02:37:48 PM »
College Station is just culty.  Not Southern, not Texan.  Just culty.  

I mean, they worship dead dogs.  It's weird.
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« Reply #177 on: October 13, 2023, 02:47:57 PM »
Best chicken fried steak Ive ever had was at a place called Youngbloods in College Station

I think now its called Carney's Pub
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« Reply #178 on: October 15, 2023, 01:10:56 AM »
Eastern Oklahoma is culturally southern.  I lived in the Choctaw nation, my wife in the Cherokee nation.  Both tribes had treaties with the Confederacy.  The Eastern Oklahoma accent is very close to the hillbilly twang of Arkansas.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #179 on: October 17, 2023, 09:56:52 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on October 12, 2023, 11:31:52 AM
Gigem:

Looking back at the original Big 12 configuration, A&M would seem to have been the natural #4 team, based on historical performance. But that understates how good A&M was at the time. The '90s were a decade in which Texas A&M went 6-4 against Texas and had a better overall record than Texas. And A&M had a much better decade than OU did. So, when the conference was formed, the Aggies could have made the case that they were the #2 program in the conference, behind Nebraska.

But Mack Brown's arrival in Austin and Bob Stoops' arrival in Norman brought improvement to UT and OU, and R.C. Slocum failed to keep up. A&M won that 1998 conference championship, ruining Bill Snyder's last best hope for a national championship, but none after that.

Is Jimbo Fisher the guy to get the Aggies where the fans want them to be?
What killed us was our leadership and boosters at the time didn't think they needed to upgrade facilities and amenities for recruits/players at the same pace as OU/Texas.  I clearly remember that 1999 Norman game we lost to OU, like 51-6 or something.  We went in with aspirations to repeat as Big 12 Champions and came out losing the conference to OU (and Texas) for essentially the rest of our time there.  Of course Bob Stoops turned out to be one of the best coaches in CFB for that era, maybe one of the best of all time but shortly after the game ended photos started circulating on Texags showing OU's indoor practice fields and their locker rooms and all the things you would expect from a top tier CFB program, and this had all been in place for several years.  Meanwhile our locker rooms were from the 1970's, the coaches office was cramped and just all around shitty. 

Sure, RC failed to keep up with Mack and Bob, but our leadership failed to give him the facilities he needed.  Eventually they saw the light and started building, probably 7-10 years too late, but they fired RC before he had a chance to use them.  I realize now that firing RC was probably a mistake, but it really more depends on who you hire after the fire.  Franchione seemed like a really solid hire at the time, turned out a big disaster.  Sherman was a WTF hire.  The man could recognize talent and recruit, but was a terrible game day coach.  Sumlin =/= Tom Herman (even from UH).  He really wasn't that bad.  Fisher seemed really good, but hell we would go 8-4 with almost any coach for half the cost. 
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #180 on: October 17, 2023, 05:10:04 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on October 17, 2023, 09:56:52 AM
What killed us was our leadership and boosters at the time didn't think they needed to upgrade facilities and amenities for recruits/players at the same pace as OU/Texas.  I clearly remember that 1999 Norman game we lost to OU, like 51-6 or something.  We went in with aspirations to repeat as Big 12 Champions and came out losing the conference to OU (and Texas) for essentially the rest of our time there.  Of course Bob Stoops turned out to be one of the best coaches in CFB for that era, maybe one of the best of all time but shortly after the game ended photos started circulating on Texags showing OU's indoor practice fields and their locker rooms and all the things you would expect from a top tier CFB program, and this had all been in place for several years.  Meanwhile our locker rooms were from the 1970's, the coaches office was cramped and just all around shitty. 

Sure, RC failed to keep up with Mack and Bob, but our leadership failed to give him the facilities he needed.  Eventually they saw the light and started building, probably 7-10 years too late, but they fired RC before he had a chance to use them.  I realize now that firing RC was probably a mistake, but it really more depends on who you hire after the fire.  Franchione seemed like a really solid hire at the time, turned out a big disaster.  Sherman was a WTF hire.  The man could recognize talent and recruit, but was a terrible game day coach.  Sumlin =/= Tom Herman (even from UH).  He really wasn't that bad.  Fisher seemed really good, but hell we would go 8-4 with almost any coach for half the cost.
I'd just add that Mack Brown was one of the best CFB coaches of that era too. Heck, he's still a good coach, doing good things at UNC.
How R.C. would have done with better facilities is an unknown, but the subsequent hires haven't worked out all that well.
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Re: B12 Realignment Talk Not Going Away
« Reply #181 on: October 17, 2023, 08:39:11 PM »
Definitely concur about Mack being a really great coach. In the end he won as many MNC as Stoops.  It seemed like even when he managed to finally beat OU and Stoops they would lose to Tech or some lesser opponent like CU in 2001. Must have been maddening to Texas fans of the era. 

Conversely ou could lose to KSU in the CCG and still get in. Hmmmm
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