~2022 MLB Thread~

[OrangeAfroMan]

Im saying most of the time the team that scores more runs in the 7th to the 9th innings will win

its probably over 80% of the time

if you have the stronger bull pen you have a much better chance of winning

lets see where we stand at the end of the world series

Sigh.

You can take any 3-inning sample from a game and usually the team scoring more in that 1/3 of the game will have been the winner.  How do you not understand this??
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Seeing where we stand after the WS is irrelevant.  The WS and the rounds leading up to it are best-of-7 series and thus, are tiny samples.  They aren't valid enough to extrapolate anything from them.  That's the point.  
You're making a poor point and waiting for a payoff that isn't statistically significant.  That's why having this conversation with you is an utter failure.

[longhorn320]

Sigh.

You can take any 3-inning sample from a game and usually the team scoring more in that 1/3 of the game will have been the winner.  How do you not understand this??
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Seeing where we stand after the WS is irrelevant.  The WS and the rounds leading up to it are best-of-7 series and thus, are tiny samples.  They aren't valid enough to extrapolate anything from them.  That's the point. 
You're making a poor point and waiting for a payoff that isn't statistically significant.  That's why having this conversation with you is an utter failure.

yes you could take any three inning sample but I picked the 7 to 9 inning area because thats when most teams will be using their bull pen

if my bull pen is better then yours I will score more runs and have a good chance of winning the game

if you doubt this I challenge you to test it on any number of games

your problem is your ego wont allow you to admit youre wrong

[OrangeAfroMan]

yes you could take any three inning sample but I picked the 7 to 9 inning area because thats when most teams will be using their bull pen

if my bull pen is better then yours I will score more runs and have a good chance of winning the game

if you doubt this I challenge you to test it on any number of games

your problem is your ego wont allow you to admit youre wrong

Some evidence could show I'm wrong, but you don't present any.  Nor will you.  Ever.  Because it's easy to just proclaim something and move on than to actually support your position. 

You're being lazy.

[longhorn320]

Some evidence could show I'm wrong, but you don't present any.  Nor will you.  Ever.  Because it's easy to just proclaim something and move on than to actually support your position. 

You're being lazy.

not being lazy

I dont have to prove anything cause its there to see

Ive already gone over 162 box scores for both the Astros and the Texas Rangers and the evidence is way in support of my statement

I challenge you to try it

anyway thats all I have to say on the matter

[OrangeAfroMan]

Share the evidence with us. 
Or did you mean you looked at box scores and remember when you saw what you agreed with and ignored the multitudes of times it didn't happen that way?

[Cincydawg]

Declaring it doesn't make it so, lol. 

Point to anything in my post that is even debateable.

[OrangeAfroMan]

This obsession with the bullpen is bizarre.  A good team can win with a strong bullpen and hot hitters, sure, but they could also win with dominant starting pitching and timely hitting.  
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The baseball postseason (and the sport itself) yields the best team record-wise as the champion only about half the time.  With expanded playoffs, this will further decrease.  It doesn't matter if your bullpen stinks or your manager is a drunk, it's not set up for the best team to win it all.  Of the 3 major sports, it requires the longest regular season to reveal who the best teams are.  And these 7-game series are near coin-flips.  
And I have no fucking clue why I get so much pushback on that.  It's math.  

Great for entertainment, pretty shitty for competition-sake.  

[Cincydawg]

The World Series generally is going to involved two elite teams, so sure, it's a coin flip.  Duh.  And a team can get hot late in the year after a mediocre start and win it, as we saw last year.  That same team got hot against this year late.  Will they win it again?  Probably not, but they might.

The team with the stronger, deeper bull pen likely has an advantage in such a series, for reasons laid out multiple times here.  This is Baseball 101.

[OrangeAfroMan]

The World Series generally is going to involved two elite teams, so sure, it's a coin flip.  Duh.  And a team can get hot late in the year after a mediocre start and win it, as we saw last year.  That same team got hot against this year late.  Will they win it again?  Probably not, but they might.

The team with the stronger, deeper bull pen likely has an advantage in such a series, for reasons laid out multiple times here.  This is Baseball 101.

Yes, multiple proclamations about bullpens here.  No actual data.  
It's not about 2 elite teams in the WS, jesus christ, man.  It's about wild-card teams winning the WS, it's about the Braves last year, etc.  It's about a team 18 games behind another having a brief series to win the championship.  
Stop trying to "yeah, but".....it doesn't work.  

[OrangeAfroMan]

Teams don't "get hot."  That's just how the ebb and flow of baseball is.  There are 8-game winning streaks and 5-game losing streaks almost constantly in the regular season.
In the postseason, the 88-win Braves' wins over a 106-win Dodgers are earned and NORMAL.  They're not some sort of special "hot" streak.  But the point is that those ebbs and flows tend to wash out in the long regular season, but in a short series, they dictate everything.
The Braves didn't do anything different or special to become what you call "hot," they simply played well due to random chance/luck.  But not any amount of extra luck, just the normal luck that occurs repeatedly during the regular season.

[Cincydawg]

How Bullpens Took Over Baseball’s Postseason - The Atlantic

Bullpen X-factors for 2022 postseason contenders (mlb.com)

MLB playoffs: Ranking all eight bullpens based on late-inning confidence levels -- which team can you trust? - CBSSports.com

This is a thing pretty much widely acknowledged in baseball.  If you disagree, fine with me.

[Cincydawg]

The Braves didn't do anything different or special to become what you call "hot," they simply played well due to random chance/luck.  But not any amount of extra luck, just the normal luck that occurs repeatedly during the regular season.

You have zero clue about what the Braves did to get hot, and it is pretty obvious, and widely acknowledged, but those who know a bit about the game, the guy's first name is Alex and I can't spell his last name.

[OrangeAfroMan]

Let me guess, all of you think the moneyball-era A's didn't win a WS because they "weren't built for the postseason."  
When in actuality, they didn't win a WS because they simply just happened not to win a WS.  They won as many games as a team with 3-4-5x its payroll, but lost in the playoffs because..........well, there's no "because."  That's just how it happened.  It could have just as easily happened differently.  
Because the MLB postseason is a coin flip every series.

[OrangeAfroMan]

How Bullpens Took Over Baseball’s Postseason - The Atlantic

Bullpen X-factors for 2022 postseason contenders (mlb.com)

MLB playoffs: Ranking all eight bullpens based on late-inning confidence levels -- which team can you trust? - CBSSports.com

This is a thing pretty much widely acknowledged in baseball.  If you disagree, fine with me.

This is a different discussion, lol.  FFS.  Yes, teams are using their bullpens more often.  No one said they weren't.  Jesus, I ask for evidence, and one of your links begins with "It seems like..."  Amazing.