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Topic: ~2018 NFL Thread~

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ELA

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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #182 on: October 15, 2018, 11:46:10 AM »
first thing the player's union would want is a higher cap or no cap.
Well no cap, it doesn't work.  They always WANT a higher cap.  But that's the point, within the same cap rules, it's no less money for them.  Just means the top guys make less, and the bottom guys make more.
You could actually make it even better for them, and not make it a "cap" make it a team salary.  So really, right now every team is some amount under that "cap" so that brings every team up to the line.  I pulled up the Lions, just as an example.  They are $7.3 million under the cap, even accounting for dead money, which would also no longer be a thing.  You would also set a separate standard practice squad salary, that could be prorated based on time spent called up, on a full NFL salary.
So take the cap this year, $177.2 million.  NFL has 53 man rosters, split that up evenly, that's roughly $3.34 million per player.  That's right about on par with what the 12th highest paid player on the roster is making this season.  That's the cap hit number, not the actual paid.  Only 6 guys are actually making that money this year, the rest got it up front as signing bonuses.
So the issue isn't the amount, the amount is the same.  Roughly 75% of the guys in the league will see a raise, many a substantial one.  Hell, most will wind up making more this season than they would have for their whole careers.  The problem on year to year deals like that would be injuries, and the lack of any sort of guaranteed deals, but most NFL contracts are only minimally guaranteed anyway.  This may lead to quarterbacks having their own separate union of entitled princesses, but the the large majority of the union's membership, it would be a huge boon.  I also think you'd see guys stick around longer because you wouldn't see teams opt for young guys, because if it's close to equal you'd rather take a guy on a rookie contract than pay a 28 year old the veterans minimum to be a backup, but if the pay is the same, that would actually probably reverse, and teams would hold onto guys for longer.

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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #183 on: October 15, 2018, 03:44:21 PM »
Gronk is the highest paid TE in the league, and there are only like 10 that make even half of what he does.

But yeah, they spent a lot of money on the secondary, and it's not panning out.  I think McCourty is the highest paid safety in the NFL, and as you said Gilmore is a top 5 paid CB.
Gronkowski is worth every penny. His underpaid actually. Honestly, the guy is a flat out dominant future 1st round ballot HOF level player.
McCourty contract never made sense to me. He’s OK. Nothing more. Same for Gilmore. They are wasting big money at those two positions right there. Neither one of those guys are remotely close to elite. 

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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #184 on: October 15, 2018, 04:28:06 PM »
Nobody's worth that kind of money,1st off one would have to show up every day.Good/great yes,injury prone yes,twice he's missed half the season one year 5 games
« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 04:41:49 PM by MrNubbz »
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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #185 on: October 15, 2018, 04:59:33 PM »
Nobody's worth that kind of money,1st off one would have to show up every day.Good/great yes,injury prone yes,twice he's missed half the season one year 5 games
He’s the greatest TE to ever play the game and it’s not close. I don’t care that he’s missed time. 

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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #186 on: October 15, 2018, 05:51:49 PM »
Shannon Sharpe,Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez say hello.And they didn't have Tom Brady throwing to them

1. Tony Gonzalez
Kansas City 1997-2008; Atlanta 2009-13
6-time first-team All-Pro, 14-time Pro Bowler
270 games – 1,325 catches, 15,127 yards (11.4 ypc), 111 TDs

2. Antonio Gates
San Diego 2003-Present
3-time first-team All-Pro, 8-time Pro Bowler
220 games – 927 catches, 11,508 yards (12.4 ypc), 114 TDs

3. Shannon Sharpe
Denver 1990-99, 2002-03; Baltimore 2000-01
Pro Football Hall of Fame, Class of 2011
4-time first-team All-Pro, 8-time Pro Bowler
3 Super Bowl rings (XXXII, XXXIII, XXXV)
204 games – 815 catches, 10,060 yards (12.3 ypc), 62 TDs

4. Rob Gronkowski
New England 2010-Present
4-time first-team All-Pro, 5-time Pro Bowler
2 Super Bowl Rings (XLIX, LI)
2014 AP & PFWA Comeback Player of the Year
102 games – 474 catches, 7,179 yards (15.1 ypc), 76 TDs

Gronk had the highest ypc but less than half the games played at 102,stay healthy my friend
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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #187 on: October 15, 2018, 08:11:00 PM »
Kellen Winslow Sr.  about the same number of games as Gronk

109 games 541 catches  6741 yards 12.5 ypc, 45 TDs

I'd give the nod to Gronk, but it's close
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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #188 on: October 16, 2018, 04:15:55 PM »
Kellen Winslow Sr.  about the same number of games as Gronk

109 games 541 catches  6741 yards 12.5 ypc, 45 TDs

I'd give the nod to Gronk, but it's close
Not close at all.
Gronk averages 3 yards more per catch and has 32 more TD's on 41 less catches.
When you factor in Gronk's flat out dominance as a blocker, it gets even more distant. Gronkowski might be the most dominant blocking TE ever. Most of these other TE's with his kind of #'s could barely block.

Seriously. He is the greatest TE to ever play this game and it's not close. If he hadn't had so many injuries his #'s would be off the charts. I mean they kind of already are and he's missed a shit ton of games.

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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #189 on: October 17, 2018, 02:06:27 PM »
Bullcrap Gonzalez has played over 2 1/2 t mes as many games and over 3X as many catches.Gronk comes in behind Gates,those guys never threatened to quit if traded either.Again nice to have Brady throwing to you,wonder what Gonzalez/Gates numbers would have been on N.E.Stats don't lie - Seriously.
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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #190 on: October 17, 2018, 02:14:47 PM »
Gonzalez and Gates are the only other TE’s in Gronk’s realm and neither were even remotely close as blockers.

Gronkowski is the best TE to ever play this game. He’s to Barry Sanders is to RBs or Moss is to WRs. There’s just nothing else like him in the history of the game. I don’t care that he’s missed a huge chunk of his career bc of injuries. 

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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #191 on: October 17, 2018, 02:25:00 PM »
Bullcrap,Gronk evidently doesn't posses the toughness factor quit pulling kaka out of your keister and posting it as fact.Don't trade me or I'll quit,yup tough guy right there
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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #192 on: October 17, 2018, 02:33:28 PM »
Sounds like Patrick Peterson is on the market.

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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #193 on: October 17, 2018, 02:37:54 PM »
Sounds like Patrick Peterson is on the market.
He was never as great as he was built up to be and he’s a shell of his former self. 
Not sure he’s worth going after unless you get him dirt cheap.

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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #194 on: October 22, 2018, 03:35:39 PM »
Raiders just fleeced the Cowboys. They just traded Amari Cooper to the Cowboys for a 1st round pick.

I hated the Mack trade. He's a truly great player in his prime. A guy that could wind up in the HoF one day. You don't trade those guys unless they have serious character flaws or injuries. He has neither.

This trade? I love this trade. Cooper is pretty much mediocre and very inconsistent, leads the NFL in drops almost every season and they just stole a 1st rd pick from the Cowboys for him. Jerry Jones strikes again. At least he didn't give up two 1st round picks for him like he gave up for Roy Williams.

Don't get it though. They could've had Earl Thomas if they gave up a 1st. They weren't willing to do that, but they were willing to give up a 1st for Amari Cooper? Doesn't make sense to me. Earl is far superior player to Cooper and he'd have kicked that defense up another notch or two.

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Re: ~2018 NFL Thread~
« Reply #195 on: October 22, 2018, 04:18:13 PM »
Yeah, but it's the Raiders. They spent a 1st round pick on Jamarcus Russell. Not like they're going to do anything productive with that pick ;-) 

 

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