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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #70 on: January 06, 2021, 12:18:12 PM »
That'd be a great name for a minor league baseball team:  the Rabbit Holes
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #71 on: January 06, 2021, 12:40:43 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 06, 2021, 11:40:08 AM
Man I love going down rabbit holes.  I remember Herman Moore with the Lions, had no idea he played at Virginia.  Also had no idea Virginia was ranked #1 for a few weeks that season before losing 4 of their last 5 and finishing unranked.  
Oddly that's one of those facts I always remember.  My first concrete memory of a non-Michigan football game was watching a then #1 Virginia lose to Georgia Tech en route to GT's co-national title.

Virginia was for some reason dropped to #11 for that 3 point loss.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #72 on: January 06, 2021, 01:25:45 PM »
Quote from: ELA on January 06, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
Oddly that's one of those facts I always remember.  My first concrete memory of a non-Michigan football game was watching a then #1 Virginia lose to Georgia Tech en route to GT's co-national title.

Virginia was for some reason dropped to #11 for that 3 point loss.
That’s because no one believed Virginia was REALLY a team deserving of a #1 ranking.  I remember that game too.  It’s weird. It’s like the voters used that game to invalidate UVA but also validate GT.

It was like, “See, you lost to GT, we knew you weren’t that good.”  But at the same time, “Hey, you beat UVA!  You’re better than we thought!”
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #73 on: January 06, 2021, 01:56:31 PM »
When did they start awarding it after the bowl games?
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #74 on: January 06, 2021, 01:56:43 PM »
the polls were like that decades before then and are still like that decades later

it's how pollsters think
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2021, 05:14:23 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on January 06, 2021, 01:56:31 PM
When did they start awarding it after the bowl games?
For the AP poll, 1968, with 2 'oh by the ways':
1965 was after the bowls, I guess because they had 3 different big-boy teams at 10-0, all playing in different bowls (and all 3 lost, lol), and
1947 - the official final poll had ND 1 before the bowls......a huge, yet unofficial poll was drawn after Michigan curb-stomped (49-0) a USC team in the Rose ND had 'only' beaten 38-7.  UM won that one handily, but again....unofficial.  People were dying for ND and UM to play, but Crisler wouldn't have it.  

The UPI changed to post-bowls in 1974.
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« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2021, 05:16:19 PM »
If anyone thinks the voters were squirrely in their time, well they've always been that way.  If you have that big ESPN college football encyclopedia, it has the weekly AP polls going all the way back.  The #1 ranking was like a greased pig much of the time, with teams losing it during bye weeks, close wins, and blowout wins, going all the way back, pre-WWII.
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« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2021, 05:23:19 PM »
Michigan defeated USC, 49-0, in the Granddaddy of Them All, leaving Michigan and Notre Dame as the only unbeaten teams in college football.
Many sportswriters who witnessed the Rose Bowl Game declared Michigan to be the best team they had seen all year. After the game, nearly every other poll (11 of the 14 that named National Champions) opted to rank the Wolverines ahead of the Irish, but the AP held to the poll prior to the postseason.
Detroit Free Press sports editor Lyall Smith recognized that despite not playing one another, Michigan and Notre Dame had three common opponents: Pittsburgh, Northwestern and USC. Notre Dame defeated the three teams by a margin of 104-32, while Michigan beat the trio 167-21.
In response to the public outcry, the AP decided it would hold a special post-bowl AP poll on January 6, 1948. It marked the first time in college football history that the AP would put out a poll following postseason play. With 357 sports writers polled, Michigan won the vote, 226-119, with 12 writers calling the vote a draw. The AP called the special vote, “an opportunity to settle one of the great sports debates,” but it did not supersede the original final poll and Notre Dame was named AP National Champion.


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« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2021, 05:28:05 PM »
The argument for who was actually better in 1947 is pretty tough.
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The funny thing is, 3-6 Northwestern gave both of them all the could handle - scoring more points vs UM than anyone else did and only losing to ND by 7.
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« Reply #79 on: January 06, 2021, 05:28:25 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 06, 2021, 05:14:23 PM
For the AP poll, 1968, with 2 'oh by the ways':
1965 was after the bowls, I guess because they had 3 different big-boy teams at 10-0, all playing in different bowls (and all 3 lost, lol), and
well, undefeated Nebraska lost to #4 Bama in the Orange


The stage had been set for all the national marbles. No. 1 Michigan State had been upset by UCLA and No. 2 Arkansas had been upset by LSU, leaving No. 3 Nebraska as the only unbeaten power.

When the firing stopped, the Cornhuskers had become the third unbeaten team of the day to fall, and Alabama was able to jump from its pre-game No. 4 ranking to a second straight national title.
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« Reply #80 on: January 06, 2021, 05:31:15 PM »
A helluva day that can no longer occur.  
Hell, weren't we all at some time in our lives waiting for the undefeated B1G champ, SEC champ, SWC champ, and Big 8 champ to all lose one year, due to different bowl tie-ins?  

Although a #5 team did leap to #1 in 1983, much to the chagrin of Auburn.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #81 on: January 06, 2021, 05:45:57 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 06, 2021, 05:28:25 PM
well, undefeated Nebraska lost to #4 Bama in the Orange


The stage had been set for all the national marbles. No. 1 Michigan State had been upset by UCLA and No. 2 Arkansas had been upset by LSU, leaving No. 3 Nebraska as the only unbeaten power.

When the firing stopped, the Cornhuskers had become the third unbeaten team of the day to fall, and Alabama was able to jump from its pre-game No. 4 ranking to a second straight national title.

How much fun would that have been to settle in and watch those games?
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #82 on: January 06, 2021, 05:51:17 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 06, 2021, 05:14:23 PM
For the AP poll, 1968, with 2 'oh by the ways':
1965 was after the bowls, I guess because they had 3 different big-boy teams at 10-0, all playing in different bowls (and all 3 lost, lol), and
1947 - the official final poll had ND 1 before the bowls......a huge, yet unofficial poll was drawn after Michigan curb-stomped (49-0) a USC team in the Rose ND had 'only' beaten 38-7.  UM won that one handily, but again....unofficial.  People were dying for ND and UM to play, but Crisler wouldn't have it. 

The UPI changed to post-bowls in 1974.
I meant the Heisman. Usually they hand it out before the bowl games. 
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #83 on: January 06, 2021, 07:07:41 PM »
Great fun. I was a sophomore at Alabama when that happened. 

That was the game memorialized in Forest Gump, who was an imaginary character. 
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