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Drew4UTk

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« Reply #1960 on: April 15, 2022, 01:26:59 PM »
...... But of course, as has been well established, everything they publish is a lie.....
established by who? is this a simple appeal to masses? do you have definitive evidence that everything they publish is a lie?

they're ALL lying or at least wrong as much as right, or at least only sharing things that support their cause, or cherry picking information to paint an image of their design only loosely resembling the actual art..

you don't know why Russia invaded Ukraine... all you know is the side our media spews.. and their media... and the lapdogs of social media.  you don't know a g'damn thing, but you're presenting yourself as an expert and can't even say "putin" without dickface... 

Ukraine is and was as corrupt as can possibly be.  Along with Russia.  Along with us.  and these demigods drag citizens into war with their games of self gain and/or aggrandizing.  You can waive your flag all you want in support of the Ukraine, and good on ya (I too believe it's pretty obvious Ukraine is the lessor of the two evils), but the truth is we don't know a damn thing.  not. a. damn. thing.  and.... the whole damn thing stinks to high heaven. 

i make jokes all the time and saying "things grandaddy taught me"- and one of those sayin's is "IF'n somebody trying to get an emotional reaction out of you, boy, they tryin' to manipulate you".... but guess what?  that wasn't grandaddy... I never knew granddad.  i ain't freakin certain i had one.. instead, that nugget was chopped up and rephrased by yours truly and gleaned from a basic course in psyops.... it's the #1 "tell" you're being played.  Truth stands alone and without concern for ridicule or scrutiny.. lies and innuendo can't.  If you don't see the manipulation present in every-single-damn-thing "newsworthy" then you are a god damn fool.  ... and 'that' is what 'they' are betting on and betting on heavily- that people will buy their bull shit without scrutiny, becoming emotionally charged enough to incite violence and do 'their' dirty work...

who the eff are "they"?  THAT is the question... THEY are the ones calling the shots globally.  THEY are the ones, most likely, that have Biden propped up like Bernie having a sequel weekend... "they" are the ones keeping US in the USA at odds with their hateful rhetoric, selective reporting, and other emotionally charged bitter pills that make you not stop long enough to scrutinize anything... to confuse your concepts of intelligence and aptitude to discern facts from conjecture with being able to simply recite what they fed you, and at the behest of "they" who we can't even identify or know who/what they are. 

the only thing that is well established is every source of information requires scrutiny. 

you may take this as a personal assault... that would be how you are conditioned by "they"... yet, it's not.  It's a simple intent to snap you out of it and get you to take another long hard look without the lenses "they've" put over your eyes. 

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« Reply #1961 on: April 15, 2022, 01:29:43 PM »
established by who? is this a simple appeal to masses? do you have definitive evidence that everything they publish is a lie?

they're ALL lying or at least wrong as much as right, or at least only sharing things that support their cause, or cherry picking information to paint an image of their design only loosely resembling the actual art..

you don't know why Russia invaded Ukraine... all you know is the side our media spews.. and their media... and the lapdogs of social media.  you don't know a g'damn thing, but you're presenting yourself as an expert and can't even say "putin" without dickface... 

Ukraine is and was as corrupt as can possibly be.  Along with Russia.  Along with us.  and these demigods drag citizens into war with their games of self gain and/or aggrandizing.  You can waive your flag all you want in support of the Ukraine, and good on ya (I too believe it's pretty obvious Ukraine is the lessor of the two evils), but the truth is we don't know a damn thing.  not. a. damn. thing.  and.... the whole damn thing stinks to high heaven. 

i make jokes all the time and saying "things grandaddy taught me"- and one of those sayin's is "IF'n somebody trying to get an emotional reaction out of you, boy, they tryin' to manipulate you".... but guess what?  that wasn't grandaddy... I never knew granddad.  i ain't freakin certain i had one.. instead, that nugget was chopped up and rephrased by yours truly and gleaned from a basic course in psyops.... it's the #1 "tell" you're being played.  Truth stands alone and without concern for ridicule or scrutiny.. lies and innuendo can't.  If you don't see the manipulation present in every-single-damn-thing "newsworthy" then you are a god damn fool.  ... and 'that' is what 'they' are betting on and betting on heavily- that people will buy their bull shit without scrutiny, becoming emotionally charged enough to incite violence and do 'their' dirty work...

who the eff are "they"?  THAT is the question... THEY are the ones calling the shots globally.  THEY are the ones, most likely, that have Biden propped up like Bernie having a sequel weekend... "they" are the ones keeping US in the USA at odds with their hateful rhetoric, selective reporting, and other emotionally charged bitter pills that make you not stop long enough to scrutinize anything... to confuse your concepts of intelligence and aptitude to discern facts from conjecture with being able to simply recite what they fed you, and at the behest of "they" who we can't even identify or know who/what they are. 

the only thing that is well established is every source of information requires scrutiny. 

you may take this as a personal assault... that would be how you are conditioned by "they"... yet, it's not.  It's a simple intent to snap you out of it and get you to take another long hard look without the lenses "they've" put over your eyes. 

I've already addressed all of this dozens of times.

I'll simply respond by saying something my grandaddy taught me-- When you think you're the smartest person in the room, you definitely are not.

(He never said that either, but he probably would have.  He was the smartest person in the room)
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« Reply #1962 on: April 15, 2022, 01:39:08 PM »
I've already addressed all of this dozens of times.

I'll simply respond by saying something my grandaddy taught me-- When you think you're the smartest person in the room, you definitely are not.

(He never said that either, but he probably would have.  He was the smartest person in the room, pretty much at all times)
that was a nice cut... but it didn't hurt. 

you've got a gaping chasm now and then in your earlier "addresses".  You also have gaps that should prevent you from formulating an opinion and certainly projecting it as fact when it comes to military operations.  

Russia's military isn't 'made' to seize and occupy.  they are made to 'destroy'.  their expeditionary capabilities are weak.  we've known that, but didn't know it was as bad as it is.  

i'm not the smartest person in the room by a far cry- and i can't recall ever being the smartest person in the room even when i'm alone- but we've never been in the same room that i know of.     


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« Reply #1963 on: April 15, 2022, 01:42:28 PM »
that was a nice cut... but it didn't hurt.

you've got a gaping chasm now and then in your earlier "addresses".  You also have gaps that should prevent you from formulating an opinion and certainly projecting it as fact when it comes to military operations. 

Russia's military isn't 'made' to seize and occupy.  they are made to 'destroy'.  their expeditionary capabilities are weak.  we've known that, but didn't know it was as bad as it is. 

i'm not the smartest person in the room by a far cry- and i can't recall ever being the smartest person in the room even when i'm alone- but we've never been in the same room that i know of.   



Your assumption that anyone that doesn't see things the way you do, is not seeing it correctly, is precisely where your gaps are.  If you presume that you've got the skinny and nobody else "gets it" then you're already lost.  You don't know anything about me.

I suppose we could do this all day.  But there's not much point to it.

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« Reply #1964 on: April 15, 2022, 01:43:50 PM »
that was a nice cut... but it didn't hurt.

you've got a gaping chasm now and then in your earlier "addresses".  You also have gaps that should prevent you from formulating an opinion and certainly projecting it as fact when it comes to military operations. 

Russia's military isn't 'made' to seize and occupy.  they are made to 'destroy'.  their expeditionary capabilities are weak.  we've known that, but didn't know it was as bad as it is. 

i'm not the smartest person in the room by a far cry- and i can't recall ever being the smartest person in the room even when i'm alone- but we've never been in the same room that i know of.   


Having been the smartest person in the room a lot let me tell you its a heavy burden with a lot of responsibility
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« Reply #1965 on: April 15, 2022, 01:46:21 PM »
That's the opposite of my assumption.  I'm offering I don't know a damn thing.  I'm also suggesting it's not from ignoring or remaining ignorant of what's reported.  I don't need to be an authority about this, but I take issue when others do that obviously have no greater knowledge of the circumstances as I do.  

Granddaddy said "beware of the first safe harbor to appear in chaos.  Theyre most likely the authors of that chaos or in league with those who created it". 

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« Reply #1966 on: April 15, 2022, 01:46:33 PM »


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« Reply #1967 on: April 15, 2022, 01:47:11 PM »
That's the opposite of my assumption.  I'm offering I don't know a damn thing.  I'm also suggesting it's not from ignoring or remaining ignorant of what's reported.  I don't need to be an authority about this, but I take issue when others do that obviously have no greater knowledge of the circumstances as I do. 

Granddaddy said "beware of the first safe harbor to appear in chaos.  Theyre most likely the authors of that chaos or in league with those who created it".

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« Reply #1968 on: April 15, 2022, 01:49:11 PM »
One thing we can agree on is Ukraine is kicking the snot out of Russia and that surely isn't the expectation putin had authorizing this..... which means invading was a massive mistake no matter what is cited as the cause or "justification" (as if there is one). 

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« Reply #1969 on: April 15, 2022, 02:08:00 PM »
I think I can speak for all of us when I say I hate bullies and right now russia is being a bully

There just is no justification for what they are doing

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« Reply #1970 on: April 15, 2022, 02:13:19 PM »
They are trying to be a bully, and getting return damage, the little guy is kicking sand in their faces too.

Russia invaded Ukraine.
Ukraine resisted pretty effectively around Kyiv.
Russian controls more territory in the south above Crimea (to some extent).
Their flagship sank.
Mariupol is a point of current focus and fighting.
Ukrainian cities have suffered significant damage from artillery, rockets, and missile and air attacks.

Those top lines to me seem unquestioned.  The rest is kind of details.

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« Reply #1971 on: April 15, 2022, 02:23:54 PM »
plus 

Russia has killed thousands of civilians and taken thousands more prisoner

Russian losses to date are high. NATO estimates that Russia has lost between 7,000 and 15,000 soldiers. Wounded who cannot rapidly return to duty generally number about twice the number of dead. That would mean that Russia has lost between 21,000 and 45,000 troops in four weeks of conflict.

Russia has lost close to 600 tanks and 150 aircraft and one big ass ship
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« Reply #1972 on: April 15, 2022, 02:31:19 PM »
I've already addressed all of this dozens of times.
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« Reply #1973 on: April 15, 2022, 02:48:46 PM »
the fact russia invaded can't be compromised.  there is really no excuse for that.  it's not like they had WMD's or anything (DOH!!! ouch.... I went there)... 

assumption: 

  • -nations don't go to war without threat
  • -nations exhaust every other option before going to war
  • -nations don't invade and occupy without good cause. 


more assumption wrapped up in speculation: 

  • -putin (dickface?) believed Ukraine corrupt and a threat to Russia
  • -putin believed the ukrainian people would not fight back, that they would wave the russian flag upon the russian approach


more assumption still, speculation, and throwing spit wads at the wall to see if they stick: 

  • - putin saw corruption in ukraine as a threat to russia based on who the ukrainian leadership is in cahoots with, and figured now was the time to free the people and eliminate the threat, and in some wild vision believed his own legend that others would cower to his prowess... whoops. 
  • he truly thought he'd be received as some arriving conqueror celebrated by the masses, and at the same time gaining leverage over the US and the US ties to Ukraine which are mostly under the table and... corrupt.
  • he figured he'd gain control of oil, grain, and mostly information/knowledge/proof of corruption involving OUR elected, and therefor ownership over those involved. 

no matter how it's sliced, he's a bully... that's a good observation that's true no matter what.  his plans were dashed, as that's pretty obvious, and whatever advantage he sought has been lost far beyond anything he would have hoped o gain at face value.  

the oddest part of all of this that just perplexes the hell out of me is: this isn't his M.O... he's been supremely pragmatic and calculating his entire life... has he gone senile like our leadership?  I'm being serious... i'd almost be relieved if he was.  otherwise, this is too big a mistake by him to be 'all there is'.  

personal opinion: i hope he is relieved soon of any power whatsoever.  if he's a whackado, which it appears, he damn sure would light the sky.  

 

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