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utee94

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1918 on: April 14, 2022, 11:52:01 AM »
For example, when Russia releases a story like this, I immediately assume it to be false and it either never happened, or Russia intentionally bombed its own citizens as a false flag causus belli attempt to justify further mass murder of Ukrainian civilians.


https://twitter.com/MoscowTimes/status/1514604852604649476?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1514604852604649476%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FMoscowTimes%2Fstatus%2F1514604852604649476%3Fs%3D2026t%3DqvOHNZ4euyKHCjrfrGyc5A
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1919 on: April 14, 2022, 12:05:27 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 14, 2022, 11:46:38 AM
It's safe to say that every single thing Russia publishes is a lie.  So I let that maxim be my guide when sifting through the stories, looking for the truth.
I would say it's propaganda, which often is based on partial truths when done effectively.
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« Reply #1920 on: April 14, 2022, 12:07:49 PM »
A kernel of truth distorted to a false representation, is a lie.

I'm quite comfortable calling it that.

Stating a ship exploded on its own, when it was actually hit by the opponent's missiles, is a lie.

Stating that a village was bombed by the opponent when it either never happened, or you did it yourself, is a lie.

Everything Russia publishes is a lie and I'm just fine calling it out as such.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1921 on: April 14, 2022, 12:17:19 PM »
My point is to suspect there is some truth in what they claim, what that is is not always clear, but one can perhaps glean some information from it at times.  To discount it completely is not prudent in my view.
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« Reply #1922 on: April 14, 2022, 12:21:01 PM »
What is to be gained from reading and believing a lie that their ship sank on its own?  How is that prudent?

Yes, some of their propaganda is obvious and perhaps insightful.  We know quite well that they often generate a false flag in order to justify some new heinous act, so right now we can expect increased slaughter of Ukrainian civilians.  I'm not sure it's "prudence" rather than simple common sense.
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« Reply #1923 on: April 14, 2022, 12:26:04 PM »
It is possible the ship caught fire, it happens, on its own.  It didn't sink apparently.  I don't know that it much matters in this case, but in other cases one could discern "truth" amongst the propaganda.  The story about helicopters attacking a Russian town for example SUGGESTS the Russians are desperate for justification of further attacks.  It's also a tacit admission they don't control the air space very well (if at all true).  The tactics employed speak to their mindset, the story they are trying to sell, and one can ponder why they took that angle.

Anyway, I find their propaganda fascinating.  
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« Reply #1924 on: April 14, 2022, 12:31:20 PM »
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« Reply #1925 on: April 14, 2022, 12:35:08 PM »
Russia accuses Ukrainian forces of shelling Russian village | The Hill

Russia accused Ukraine’s military of shelling a Russian village on Thursday, alleging seven people were wounded in the attack, including one young child.
The Investigative Committee of Russia claimed that at least six strikes had been carried out in the Russian village of Klimovo, which is located near the borders of Belarus and Ukraine, by two combat helicopters flying at low altitude.
In addition to the seven people injured, at least six residential buildings were hit, Russia claimed. The committee said it opened a criminal case as a result of the alleged shelling.

“The investigation established that persons from among the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine entered into a criminal conspiracy among themselves in order to influence the adoption by the authorities of the Russian Federation of a decision to terminate the special military operation,” the Investigative Committee said, referring to Russia’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine.


I find this rather amusing, in the very dark sort of way, Russia complaining about some possible pinprick attacks on their country as if it's illegal.  Meanwhile ... oh balderdash.  As propaganda goes, this is lame.

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« Reply #1926 on: April 14, 2022, 12:49:53 PM »
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« Reply #1927 on: April 14, 2022, 01:01:02 PM »
Given the Kremlin's reputation, anything from there should be treated as false unless and until proven otherwise.
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« Reply #1928 on: April 14, 2022, 01:53:24 PM »
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« Reply #1929 on: April 14, 2022, 03:33:37 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 14, 2022, 08:43:51 AM
If I were Finland I'd be trying to join NATO in a hurry before Russia tried to murder me same as they murder Georgia and Ukraine.
Yeah, so this is completely backwards.

Russia did not get into armed conflict with Georgia or Ukraine until when? Until AFTER they were both invited into NATO by Bush II and intended on joining NATO. Not before.

Neutrality has worked very well for Finland over the last very many decades. Finland planning to join NATO would just escalate tensions and make the probability of WWIII kicking off go into f***king overdrive. No thanks. 

Cooler heads need prevail. Russia is having a tough enough time as it is with Ukraine. No way they could possibly go toe to toe with Finland or Sweden simultaneously.

NATO expansion is not the answer. It will only escalate tensions, not de-escalate them. 
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« Reply #1930 on: April 14, 2022, 03:49:59 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 14, 2022, 08:21:54 AM
Russia threatens new nuclear deployments if Sweden, Finland join NATO (cnbc.com)



Russia "owns" that red small triangle that once was Prussia, on the map.  One can see Finland has a long border with mainland Russia though a lot of it is "remote".  Were I Finland, I would stay the way things are now and strengthen my defenses.  Russia has bad memories of attacking Finland.  The Baltic states worry me a lot.
There is absolutely no need to say Russia owns Kaliningrad in parenthesis- implying as if their ownership of it is not legitimate. It is legitimate.

USSR was given Kaliningrad in the Postdam agreement in 1945 and Germany formally relinquished any and all territorial claims of Kaliningrad in a treaty in 1990 and formally granted said territory to the USSR. 

You know, when you’re a homicidal lunatic nation like Germany was for much of the 20th century and you start a couple world wars and kill countless tens of millions of people and are the worst mass murdering psychopathic killers in recorded human history- you tend to have to forfeit territory when you lose those wars.  

I find it mind blowing that some people are cheering on Germany rearming itself. If history tells us anything…it’s that that’s not going to end well. For anyone.
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« Reply #1931 on: April 14, 2022, 04:25:11 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on April 14, 2022, 03:49:59 PM

You know, when you’re a homicidal lunatic nation like Germany was for much of the 20th century and you start a couple world wars and kill countless tens of millions of people and are the worst mass murdering psychopathic killers in recorded human history- you tend to have to forfeit territory when you lose those wars. 

I find it mind blowing that some people are cheering on Germany rearming itself. If history tells us anything…it’s that that’s not going to end well. For anyone.
None of this discussion (Germany and Japan re-arming, Sweden and Finland into NATO) takes place without Putin invading Russia, and getting his army and navy chewed to pieces. The geopolitical situation today is a very different one than it was two months ago.
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