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« Reply #1904 on: April 13, 2022, 07:29:34 PM »
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« Reply #1905 on: April 13, 2022, 07:32:04 PM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1906 on: April 14, 2022, 08:21:54 AM »
Russia threatens new nuclear deployments if Sweden, Finland join NATO (cnbc.com)



Russia "owns" that red small triangle that once was Prussia, on the map.  One can see Finland has a long border with mainland Russia though a lot of it is "remote".  Were I Finland, I would stay the way things are now and strengthen my defenses.  Russia has bad memories of attacking Finland.  The Baltic states worry me a lot.

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« Reply #1907 on: April 14, 2022, 08:25:58 AM »
Russia already has nukes in that little red dot.
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« Reply #1908 on: April 14, 2022, 08:34:00 AM »
If they don't, it's a simple matter to put them there anyway.  Their missiles can reach whatever anyway.
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« Reply #1909 on: April 14, 2022, 08:43:51 AM »
If I were Finland I'd be trying to join NATO in a hurry before Russia tried to murder me same as they murder Georgia and Ukraine.
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« Reply #1910 on: April 14, 2022, 08:46:51 AM »
I've been reading up on this a little, and it seems to me Finland has a plan, unlike those other two.
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« Reply #1911 on: April 14, 2022, 08:49:49 AM »
Finland would be a tough cookie, as Russia learned in 1939.  I think if Russia really did attack Finland, and I can't see why they would, we'd all be "in it" anyway, Article 5 or not.  Maybe NATO needs some kind of additional "associate membership" beyond what Finland has today, I dunno.

The Article 5 thing is a concern for me.
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« Reply #1912 on: April 14, 2022, 08:52:21 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2022, 08:46:51 AM
I've been reading up on this a little, and it seems to me Finland has a plan, unlike those other two.
Right now, their PLAN, is to join NATO as quickly as possible.  I'd say that's a smart move.

I'm not claiming it's right or appropriate for the USA, nor would it come without significant risk and potential complications.  But for Finland to improve significantly its national security in a short time, I think it's the correct move.
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« Reply #1913 on: April 14, 2022, 09:11:33 AM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1914 on: April 14, 2022, 10:57:24 AM »
Russian cruiser Moskva | Military Wiki | Fandom

This is a big ship by modern standards, not all that modern.

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« Reply #1915 on: April 14, 2022, 11:02:04 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 14, 2022, 10:57:24 AM
Russian cruiser Moskva | Military Wiki | Fandom

This is a big ship by modern standards, not all that modern.

Last night, someone had edited the Wiki entry to say "Status: On Fire" but apparently that's now been changed...
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« Reply #1916 on: April 14, 2022, 11:08:45 AM »
We have two stories about this, as expected.  I tend to doubt the ship caught fire due to accident, but it's possible.

I don't think Ukrainians would have noticed if it caught fire that far offshore, but maybe through drones.
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« Reply #1917 on: April 14, 2022, 11:46:38 AM »
It's safe to say that every single thing Russia publishes is a lie.  So I let that maxim be my guide when sifting through the stories, looking for the truth.

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