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Mdot21

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1834 on: April 06, 2022, 11:15:30 AM »
I don't characterize Germany as "addicted" to Russian oil and gas.  But they're certainly locked in, after decades of unwise energy policy.

And it's true that China and India can step in to cover the gaps in Russian sales, but it'll be at deep discounts to their current prices and to the world market. Even though only a handful of countries have actually sanctioned and banned the import of Russian oil and gas, Russia continues to struggle to find buyers for their products in the open marketplace.  Payment issues from global sanctions are part of it, and beyond that some global buyers are simply choosing not to, for their own reasons, even if their country allows it.
I think the payment issues have probably been the biggest road blocks to buying russian oil and gas- which is why Russia has allowed EU buyers to continue paying in foreign currencies but only after they open special trade accounts at Russia's Gazprombank- which then converts those payments into rubles.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1835 on: April 06, 2022, 11:18:52 AM »
Addicted, locked in, dependent on, basically the same thing.

The German economy would wilt fast if they stopped.

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« Reply #1836 on: April 06, 2022, 11:25:33 AM »
Addicted, locked in, dependent on, basically the same thing.

The German economy would wilt fast if they stopped.
what economy wouldn't wilt fast if they didn't have access to vital natural resources? you can't run an economy or society for that matter without fossil fuels. it's impossible.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1837 on: April 06, 2022, 11:29:45 AM »
You can run an economy on a reliable supply of fossil fuels, which Germany failed to develop.  They allowed themselves to become highly dependent on Russia despite many warnings.  Imagine Nord Stream II had been made operational before all this happened.


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« Reply #1838 on: April 06, 2022, 11:33:52 AM »
You can run an economy on a reliable supply of fossil fuels, which Germany failed to develop.  They allowed themselves to become highly dependent on Russia despite many warnings.  Imagine Nord Stream II had been made operational before all this happened.
how can you develop what you don't have? it's not like there are loads of oil and natural gas fields all over Germany. There aren't.

Europe, and especially Western Europe just does not have rich oil or natural gas resources. Nothing anyone can do about that.

Germany really screwed itself by shutting all it's nuclear plants down. Instead of going nuclear- they killed nuclear. Their neighbor France gets over 75% of it's energy needs from nuclear power. Germany gets about 13%.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1840 on: April 06, 2022, 06:59:59 PM »
Build LNG terminals and get NG from Norway and US.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1841 on: April 06, 2022, 07:00:30 PM »
And develop domestic sources of course 


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« Reply #1843 on: April 06, 2022, 07:14:54 PM »
And develop domestic sources of course
and need to build a few more Power plants running on LNG

and add nuclear plants
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« Reply #1844 on: April 06, 2022, 07:15:50 PM »
And develop domestic sources of course
such as the USA has done, but are restricted by the government today?
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« Reply #1845 on: April 06, 2022, 07:19:05 PM »
you know you live in a crazy world when you see Sean Penn go on Fox News and get along great with Sean Hannity and opine that the US should threaten Russia with nuclear strikes.

I'm old enough to remember when Sean Penn hated Sean Hannity and Fox News. Actor by day, CIA government asset by night? Funny conspiracy, but it just seems odd to me how Sean Penn butts his nose into everything. Dude got El Chapo caught. Narc.

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« Reply #1846 on: April 06, 2022, 07:20:15 PM »
Dude doesn't appear to be aging well
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1847 on: April 06, 2022, 07:20:41 PM »
Build LNG terminals and get NG from Norway and US.
sounds great, would certainly be great for US energy, but that's going to cost Germany a sh*t load of money- billions in infrastructure- and the cost of US LNG is 40 to 50% higher than the cost of Russian natural gas.

 

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