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Mdot21

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« Reply #1806 on: April 05, 2022, 07:22:12 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 05, 2022, 11:43:38 AM
Please discuss the current president elsewhere.  Whether or not he's a figurehead who is not actually executing his own decisions and plans, really has nothing to do with Ukraine.
Ukraine has effectively been a US colony since about 2014,  so it actually kinda does.
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« Reply #1807 on: April 05, 2022, 07:34:49 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 03, 2022, 10:39:03 AM
Maybe, but I can see how Russians are getting fed news that is by our way of thinking untrue and misleading so they view protesters as traitors to their brave soldiers fighting Nazis.
they are definitely getting propagandized up the ass over there, 100%, and no doubt about it. It's no different than America circa 2001 with Afghanistan or 2003 with Iraq- when the US population was lied to, manipulated, and propagandized to believe "they hate us for our FrEeDumMM...derrrrrp!" and that we "GoTs Ta FiGhT dEm OvEr DeR sO wE dOnT gOtS tA fIgHt 'Em HeReEee...DeRp" or that they had "wEpUnS oF MaSs DeStruackShiooNNNN....derrP". 

War is unpopular with populations. But most especially illegal invasion, aggressive, unnecessary wars. Governments have to propagandize people to sell the war- and make anyone who opposes the war the enemy of the state- otherwise people would pushback and revolt. Dixie Chicks got "canceled" before that was ever really a thing just for speaking out against the Iraq war. Anyone who mildly criticized the war was called a traitor for "NoT SuPPAAARTin da TROOOOOOPS....TRAITORRRR!". For christ sake there was massive push by the media and many restaurants changed the name of french fries to freedom fries on their menus because the French wouldn't go along with that illegal war.
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« Reply #1808 on: April 05, 2022, 07:36:16 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 04, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
Mercenaries from dickface putin's private army, the Wagner group, have been confirmed in Donetsk.

Their founder and leader, Dmitry Utkin, is a certified lover of the Third Reich, sporting nazi tattoos on his body.

So now it appears that dickface putin's plan to de-nazify Ukraine, relies on using actual neo nazis to do the killing for him.

Fight fire with fire, I suppose.


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nazis fighting nazis. jesus christ. 

turns out psychotic people are really good at fighting....
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« Reply #1809 on: April 05, 2022, 08:03:05 PM »
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« Reply #1810 on: April 05, 2022, 08:12:55 PM »
MSNBC host Ali Velshi continues to push for WWIII on his show. Flat out calls for NATO needs to get directly involved in the war and fight Russia- live on his MSNBC tv show and on his twitter feed as well.
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« Reply #1811 on: April 05, 2022, 08:19:52 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on April 05, 2022, 07:22:12 PM
Ukraine has effectively been a US colony since about 2014,  so it actually kinda does.
lulzno
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« Reply #1812 on: April 05, 2022, 08:25:46 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on April 05, 2022, 07:36:16 PM
nazis fighting nazis. jesus christ.
Rock and Roller Cola Wars, I can't take it anymore...?

Quote from: Mdot21 on April 05, 2022, 08:12:55 PM
MSNBC host Ali Velshi continues to push for WWIII on his show. Flat out calls for NATO needs to get directly involved in the war and fight Russia- live on his MSNBC tv show and on his twitter feed as well.

I don't know who Ali Velshi is, but Lots of stupid people are calling for this.  Stupid people say stupid stuff all the time, it doesn't mean it's going to happen or anyone should listen to them.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1813 on: April 05, 2022, 08:37:27 PM »
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« Reply #1814 on: April 05, 2022, 08:45:10 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 05, 2022, 08:19:52 PM
lulzno
yeah, they kinda are. when you can overthrow a government and literally install a hand-picked puppet government- and then you can basically get them to do whatever you want by dangling money, loan guarantees (fire that federal prosecutor or you aren't getting that $1 billion loan guarantee!), military training, and weapons systems over their heads- they're pretty much going to do whatever you tell them. They've been a sock puppet almost completely dependent upon the United States since 2014. Call them a client state if you'd like instead.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1815 on: April 05, 2022, 08:47:35 PM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1816 on: April 05, 2022, 09:01:03 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on April 05, 2022, 08:45:10 PM
yeah, they kinda are. when you can overthrow a government and literally install a hand-picked puppet government- and then you can basically get them to do whatever you want by dangling money, loan guarantees (fire that federal prosecutor or you aren't getting that $1 billion loan guarantee!), military training, and weapons systems over their heads- they're pretty much going to do whatever you tell them. They've been a sock puppet almost completely dependent upon the United States since 2014. Call them a client state if you'd like instead.
No.  Just stop it.
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« Reply #1817 on: April 05, 2022, 09:05:30 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on April 05, 2022, 08:47:35 PM
I don't think India has ever been "soft" on Russia. They just refused to stop buying Russia's oil and got taken to task for that in US/Western media. Which is kinda weird- as most of Europe hasn't stopped buying Russian oil either.
They didn't come out with any statements at all.  I won't call that soft, either.  I'd call that tacit approval.

In clear cases of obvious genocide, not saying anything at all, is the same as approval.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1818 on: April 05, 2022, 09:19:00 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 05, 2022, 09:05:30 PM
They didn't come out with any statements at all.  I won't call that soft, either.  I'd call that tacit approval.

In clear cases of obvious genocide, not saying anything at all, is the same as approval.
I don't know. I feel like the condemnation stuff doesn't really accomplish much and then blasting India for not condemning accomplishes even less. The only way India could've used any leverage they had to really put pressure on Russia was by not buying Russian oil. They didn't do that- but neither did anyone else really, aside from the US and then the UK announcing they are still going to buy Russian oil- but will be "phasing out" Russian oil by the end of December.

Genocide is a loaded word that implies ethnic cleansing- like Hitler killing 6+ million Jews and then like 1+ million Romani. Putin's war is obviously awful, atrocious, and no doubt a crime- but I don't know if it goes that far. And he's also been killing many Ukrainians who are ethnic russian. He leveled Mariupol and turned it into rubble- and it was a city that was nearly half ethnic russian.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1819 on: April 05, 2022, 09:20:27 PM »
gen·o·cide
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noun

  • the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group




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