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utee94

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1764 on: April 01, 2022, 10:09:39 AM »
Russian Soldiers In Chernobyl Fall Sick With Radiation Poisoning, Reports Claim | IFLScience


This one is being disputed as potential Ukrainian propaganda, but it wouldn't surprise me.  Earlier reports from weeks ago, when Russia first seized Chernobyl, indicated that the troops who took it knew nothing about the facility or its past.  

Which makes sense-- they're almost all very young, and there's no reason to think their Russian state media controlled lives, and state controlled educations, would have ever taught them anything about a disaster that occurred there over thirty years ago.  The day they showed up there to invade, is probably the first time they'd ever heard the name of the place.

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« Reply #1765 on: April 01, 2022, 10:11:44 AM »
A human needs a pretty serious dose of radiation to exhibit symptoms within a few weeks that are debilitating.

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« Reply #1766 on: April 01, 2022, 11:01:09 AM »
A human needs a pretty serious dose of radiation to exhibit symptoms within a few weeks that are debilitating.
Yup.  If the rumor is true, that they were digging trenches in the radiation-dust-laden Red Forest, with zero PPE, then I suppose it could manifest quickly.

My first job out of college was testing Ion Implanters for semiconductor manufacturing, they're basically a small particle accelerator.  They produce fairly large amounts of radiation and the entire ion source and beamline are heavily lead shielded as a result.  Still, small leaks were possible and I had to wear a radiation monitoring badge every single day I worked there.  They were tested regularly and if your badge exceeded the limit you were pulled out of the clean room and sent to the doctor.  Never happened to me or anyone I knew, though.
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« Reply #1767 on: April 01, 2022, 11:02:33 AM »
I'd like to know how much access a typical Muscovite has to the internet.  I appreciate that many would view our version of the news as fake news and accept their version, but it gets harder to see it their way I think.
our news is mostly propaganda, their news is mostly propaganda. often times truth is somewhere in the middle. big difference is we have a free and open society. or are suppose to. our government can't shut down newspapers or tv networks just because. oh or censor the internet- our private for profit corporations do that last part for them though.

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« Reply #1768 on: April 01, 2022, 11:05:47 AM »
4 million rubel is what? 50 cents?
damn that's a great idea, 50 Cent should change his rap name to 4 Million Ruble.

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« Reply #1769 on: April 01, 2022, 11:06:07 AM »
I think we are able to assemble a pretty accurate portrayal of reality with our various news sources.

Most of our news is basic facts, as I have noted before.

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« Reply #1770 on: April 01, 2022, 11:07:12 AM »
I have a notion neither she nor Biden are any more than a show piece, real decisions are made by others.
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« Reply #1771 on: April 01, 2022, 11:08:39 AM »
$44,000 fine. Yeah, Wiki is gonna care about that...


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« Reply #1772 on: April 01, 2022, 11:10:17 AM »
I think we are able to assemble a pretty accurate portrayal of reality with our various news sources.

Most of our news is basic facts, as I have noted before.
you are so propagandized you don't even realize it. most Americans are though. it's sad. Chomsky was right on the money when he said any despot dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media.

Basic facts huh. Basic facts like Donald Trump being a Russian agent- an evidence free based conspiracy theory based off a phony dossier by a James Bond wannabe reject- which launched YEARS of investigations and wasted millions and millions of dollars of US tax payer dollars. Oh yeah, what about the basic facts that Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian disinformation plot. Basic facts. Huh. :043:

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« Reply #1773 on: April 01, 2022, 11:13:00 AM »
I'm sure we've all heard the rumors of infighting between VP Harris and the White House.  No idea if it's true or not.  I just hope Harris is being super thoroughly briefed daily or more frequently because Biden looks old and she could be President at any time.  She might have to deal with Putin escalating the conflict in Ukraine.
he's an 80 year old guy losing his mind and clearly suffers from early onset dementia. and he gets worse by the day. and she's a vacuous, shallow, phony, fake, moron without a single original thought in her head. she is literally one of the fakest and also dumbest people I've ever seen in my entire life. we'd be screwed if Biden had to step down and she took over.

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« Reply #1774 on: April 01, 2022, 11:23:43 AM »
Please discuss this elsewhere.

I promise you, we all know how each of you would feel about the current president or vice president handling potential escalations with Russia.  Beyond that, this discussion belongs somewhere else.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1775 on: April 01, 2022, 02:23:41 PM »
The amount of radiation your body gets is measured in an international unit called a sievert (Sv). Symptoms of radiation sickness show up when you're exposed to levels of more than 500 millisieverts (mSv), or half a sievert. More than 4 to 5 Sv is likely to be fatal. The workers who got radiation sickness at Chernobyl received doses that measured 700 mSv to 13 Sv.
Natural radiation is everywhere -- in the air, the water, and materials like brick or granite. You typically get only about 3 mSv -- three one-thousandths of a sievert -- of radiation from these natural sources in a year.

Man-made sources of radiation from things like X-rays add about another 3 mSv. A CT (computerized tomography) scan, which involves several X-rays taken from different angles, delivers about 10 mSv. People who work in the nuclear industry aren't allowed to be exposed to more than 50 mSv a year.

Radiation Sickness: Facts, Symptoms, Treatment (webmd.com)


Unprotected Russian soldiers disturbed radioactive dust in Chernobyl's 'Red Forest', workers say | Reuters
Unprotected Russian soldiers disturbed radioactive dust in Chernobyl's 'Red Forest', workers say | Reuters

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said on Feb. 25 that radiation levels at the Chernobyl site reached 9.46 microsieverts per hour but remained "within an operating range" recorded in the exclusion zone from the moment of its creation and posed no threat to the general population.

If the radiation levels there are about 10 microSvs per hour, it would take a while to get to 500 milliSv.  Breathing in dust would be bad of course but more along the lines of some chronic disease much later than something happening in a few days.

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« Reply #1776 on: April 01, 2022, 02:30:48 PM »
Yeah it didn't sound all that believable to me, when I heard it.  But I'm no expert nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. 


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« Reply #1777 on: April 01, 2022, 02:34:14 PM »
A possibility is some soldiers got sick, normally, and because of their location some folks feared it was radiation when it was maybe bad water.

Now, give it 20 years and we could see some problems.

 

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