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utee94

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1708 on: March 30, 2022, 02:57:31 PM »
When we call someone a neoNazi, what does it mean they believe, broadly speaking?

Is it an overly generalized term that can mean different things for different groups?
I think it's definitely overly generalized these days.  It seems to be used almost interchangeably with the term fascist, and those that use it in that manner, do so specifically because it has so many horrifying connotations for so many people.  It's an intentional play to evoke a heated response based on longstanding emotional trauma.

The stricter definition would be, those that follow in the racist doctrine of nazi Germany, specifically the hatred of Jews and other various minorities.  And by that stricter definition, a large percentage of the Azov Battalion in Ukraine still fits the bill.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1709 on: March 30, 2022, 05:09:14 PM »
The Nazis hated a lot more than just Jews of course, "untermenschen" was the term.  I think of the term as meaning someone who wants "purity" and a nationalistic view of life, you want "France for the French", as an example (which is a fairly popular notion).  I'd oppose it to multiculturalism.  Hitler viewed the US as a nation of mongrels because we had so many different "tribes" more or less mixed together (less back then).

Curiously, Japan fits this definition pretty closely.  

Where is gets extreme is when measures are considered to achieve "national purity" after it was lost, like in the US how that would mean we'd have to kick out all the European Americans et al.

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« Reply #1710 on: March 30, 2022, 06:01:40 PM »
Patriotism, nationalism, jingoism, fascism, naziism.

Gotta be careful with all those isms.


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« Reply #1712 on: March 30, 2022, 06:08:31 PM »
why couldnt you just shoot them and explode them to clear it
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« Reply #1713 on: March 30, 2022, 06:13:12 PM »
why couldnt you just shoot them and explode them to clear it

Not sure what normal protocol would be.  Perhaps they don't want to damage the road?  Or they want it to remain impassable for Russian heavy equipment?  The Ukrainian infantry is using a lot of passenger cars and trucks to get around, while the Russians are using larger armored stuff.

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« Reply #1714 on: March 30, 2022, 06:15:02 PM »
so its possible the mines were put there by the Ukraines
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1715 on: March 30, 2022, 06:57:27 PM »
Russia's Vladimir Putin feels military leaders misled him about Ukraine (cnbc.com)
Russia's Vladimir Putin feels military leaders misled him about Ukraine (cnbc.com)

This is why I think the changed gameplan is for the Donbas region and the land corridor to Crimea.  Pound Kyiv et al. until the Ukrainians say uncle.


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« Reply #1716 on: March 30, 2022, 07:52:25 PM »
Russia's Vladimir Putin feels military leaders misled him about Ukraine (cnbc.com)
Russia's Vladimir Putin feels military leaders misled him about Ukraine (cnbc.com)

This is why I think the changed gameplan is for the Donbas region and the land corridor to Crimea.  Pound Kyiv et al. until the Ukrainians say uncle.


if they are waiting for the Ukrainians to say uncle they better pack a lunch cause its gonna take a while
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« Reply #1718 on: March 30, 2022, 09:27:10 PM »
if they are waiting for the Ukrainians to say uncle they better pack a lunch cause its gonna take a while
Yup.

The Ukrainians know that even if he "settles" for Donbas, he's just going to come back in a few years and attempt to kill all the rest of them. Again.  There's no point at all in attempting to negotiate in good faith with dickface putin, he has no understanding of the concept.


so its possible the mines were put there by the Ukraines
I suppose it's possible, but if they really wanted to blow up Russian mechanized and armored divisions, seems to me that using disguised IEDs would be more effective.  But I'm nobody's soldier and I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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« Reply #1719 on: March 30, 2022, 09:34:48 PM »
When we call someone a neoNazi, what does it mean they believe, broadly speaking?

Is it an overly generalized term that can mean different things for different groups?
it's definitely over-generalized in America. Which is crazy, because the media and some politicians called Americans who wore MAGA hats and didn't want to get vaccines nazis or fascists- and now when they run into actual nazis in Ukraine that the US has been arming and training- they seem to want to explain it away.

The founder of Azov, Andriy Biletsky has been quoted publicly in speeches as saying Ukraine is meant to "lead the white races of the world in a final crusade....against Semite-led Untermenschen". Azov flies Nazi SS wolfsangel symbol flags and also wear said symbol on their uniforms and insignia and also wear the Nazi black sun symbol arm bans and necklaces. Yeah, they're pretty much nazis.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1720 on: March 30, 2022, 09:37:00 PM »
Russia's Vladimir Putin feels military leaders misled him about Ukraine (cnbc.com)
Russia's Vladimir Putin feels military leaders misled him about Ukraine (cnbc.com)

This is why I think the changed gameplan is for the Donbas region and the land corridor to Crimea.  Pound Kyiv et al. until the Ukrainians say uncle.
military leaders/generals who always itch for war and think they're never wrong are wrong....whoa! who knew!


 

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