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Mdot21

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1680 on: March 29, 2022, 08:38:25 PM »
with all the aid we send to India we should cut that immediately
we don't really send that much aid to India #1. Average is something like $140 million a year over the last 20 years. That's a minuscule percentage of the yearly federal budget.

#2 - India is just acting in the best national interests of India. This is pretty much how all countries operate. They need oil for an expanding economy that will soon be the 3rd largest economy in the world and a massive population that is growing like a weed and outpacing China and will soon become the largest population in the world- and if they can buy oil at a discount- well of course they are going to do it. India's national interests don't equal US national interests or Ukraine national interests.

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« Reply #1681 on: March 29, 2022, 08:46:09 PM »
I say the war ends when China decides to continue it isnt in their best interest
China has considerable leverage over Russia- but I think it's quite obvious that Putin sees Ukraine being in Russia's orbit or sphere of influence as existential to Russia- and that he doesn't really give a sh*t about what the rest of the world thinks, unfortunately. China absolutely could put the most pressure on him of any nation out there to end it- but that might not even be enough.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1682 on: March 29, 2022, 09:10:07 PM »
we don't really send that much aid to India #1. Average is something like $140 million a year over the last 20 years. That's a minuscule percentage of the yearly federal budget.


good thats $140 mil a year we can put to good use here at home
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« Reply #1683 on: March 29, 2022, 09:21:05 PM »
good thats $140 mil a year we can put to good use here at home
$140 million is the average over 20 years. It's actually around $110 million now per cincy's link. That's an insignificant amount in the grand scheme of things when you're talking about a federal budget that's 6-7 trillion dollars. $110 million is a drop in the bucket that won't even buy 1,000 hammers and 1,000 toilet seats for the pentagon.

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« Reply #1684 on: March 29, 2022, 09:40:47 PM »
$140 million is the average over 20 years. It's actually around $110 million now per cincy's link. That's an insignificant amount in the grand scheme of things when you're talking about a federal budget that's 6-7 trillion dollars. $110 million is a drop in the bucket that won't even buy 1,000 hammers and 1,000 toilet seats for the pentagon.
good then they wont miss it

Id also review our tariffs that we have with India

nothing personal its just business

India has decided that getting Russian oil is more important then trying to persuade Putin not to attack other nations so they should understand
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« Reply #1685 on: March 29, 2022, 09:50:05 PM »
I do not approve of our fearless leader or his administration for a great many reasons not to be discussed here.  But his recent gaffs, 3 in 2 days, I think demonstrated that he's really not up to the task.  Although the last one when he got off his script was right on the mark, that Putin has to go.  And they promptly walked it back for him.
agree 100% - the guy puts his foot in his mouth every time he opens it and has to have his administration walk it back



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« Reply #1686 on: March 29, 2022, 10:02:11 PM »
good then they wont miss it

Id also review our tariffs that we have with India

nothing personal its just business

India has decided that getting Russian oil is more important then trying to persuade Putin not to attack other nations so they should understand
how would pulling $110 million in aid and imposing tariffs on India be business just because they decided to buy Russian oil at discounts? It wouldn't. That actually sounds like quite the opposite- sounds like an emotional or personal reaction- and not business.

You do realize how stupid that sounds, no - when basically all of Western Europe is still buying oil & gas from Russia. Today. How about you pull aid and impose tariffs on EU countries while you're at it?

US is the moral arbiter of nothing and no one. We have stacked way higher dead body counts and have more blood on our hands than just about any country in the world. If we want to impose bans in the US from importing Russian oil, that's fine. We can't tell other countries what they can and can't do and then act all emotional like a bunch of females when they don't do what we tell them to do.

India is the 3rd largest consumer of oil in the world as well as the 3rd largest importer of oil in the world behind only China and the US. They consume a lot more oil than they produce. They only produce around 627k barrels of oil per day- they consume almost 4.5 million. It's not realistic or fair to tell them they can't buy oil from Russia because we said so. Of course they are going to buy it- and of course they'll buy it at discounts. They literally have to- they have no other choice as they import around 85-86% of their total oil consumption. 

I think India government official said it best in that article....

“Countries with oil self-sufficiency or those importing themselves from Russia cannot credibly advocate restrictive trading,”


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1688 on: March 29, 2022, 10:29:42 PM »
how would pulling $110 million in aid and imposing tariffs on India be business just because they decided to buy Russian oil at discounts? It wouldn't. That actually sounds like quite the opposite- sounds like an emotional or personal reaction- and not business.

You do realize how stupid that sounds, no - when basically all of Western Europe is still buying oil & gas from Russia. Today. How about you pull aid and impose tariffs on EU countries while you're at it?

US is the moral arbiter of nothing and no one. We have stacked way higher dead body counts and have more blood on our hands than just about any country in the world. If we want to impose bans in the US from importing Russian oil, that's fine. We can't tell other countries what they can and can't do and then act all emotional like a bunch of females when they don't do what we tell them to do.

India is the 3rd largest consumer of oil in the world as well as the 3rd largest importer of oil in the world behind only China and the US. They consume a lot more oil than they produce. They only produce around 627k barrels of oil per day- they consume almost 4.5 million. It's not realistic or fair to tell them they can't buy oil from Russia because we said so. Of course they are going to buy it- and of course they'll buy it at discounts. They literally have to- they have no other choice as they import around 85-86% of their total oil consumption.

I think India government official said it best in that article....

“Countries with oil self-sufficiency or those importing themselves from Russia cannot credibly advocate restrictive trading,”
never the less I'd make that decision as uncomfortable for them as possible 

They clearly dont share the world's  values of freedom so they suffer the consequences

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1690 on: March 29, 2022, 11:07:24 PM »
Nothing to do with Ukraine. Post it somewhere else.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1691 on: March 30, 2022, 09:23:54 AM »
Russia vows to reduce Ukraine attacks after talks, but the U.S. is skeptical : NPR

It is consistent with what is known that Russian forces, stalled near Kyiv, now will focus more on the Donbass and Mariupol.  They may be supply starved near Kyiv and thus can claim to be reducing attacks but have no real choice.  Their end game may be recognition of Crimea as Russia and a land bridge to the Donbass.

The Donbass region is about 9% of total Ukraine land area.

If Ukraine doesn't accept this, they could bring in more artillery to strike around Kyiv and continue demolishing the area making it painful for Ukraine to resist further, and they can attack Lviv in the west with rockets, and perhaps even go for Odessa (though that now seems out of their capacity).

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« Reply #1692 on: March 30, 2022, 09:25:25 AM »
Russia followed up their announcement of "fewer attacks on Kyiv" with heavier bombardment the past two nights, than before.

They're lying sacks of shit.

To negotiate with them, is to be abused by them.  It's not ever going to be in Ukraine's interest to cede any territory to Russia, because inevitably they'll come back and kill more Ukrainians when they feel like taking more.

This isn't speculation, it's the reality of what's happening right now.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1693 on: March 30, 2022, 09:31:20 AM »
What is the alternative for Ukraine?  Russia eventually can simply pound them to dust with long range artillery and missile strikes.


 

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