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bayareabadger

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« Reply #1652 on: March 28, 2022, 04:12:58 PM »
So lemme ask... You approve of our "leader" through all of this?

There is nothing "wild" about this.

We're talking about a guy with nuke codes - a guy that only cares about ice cream.
I think he’s done a middling to less than middling job with this. He’s done nothing to cover himself in glory and had several spots that were not good at all.

Going doing the wild “what if this is a tip of the outlandish iceberg” thing will most often strike me as wild. I tend to treat the wild ish on the other side the same way.

As for the nuke codes, they’ve been in about as bad of hands before, worse too. Alas just seems like the new normal. (The ice cream thing is part of our “feed me the BS” media cycle, correct? Or something else?)

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« Reply #1653 on: March 28, 2022, 04:40:08 PM »
I think he's handling it reasonably well, aside from the gaffes in speech.  He continues to refuse to engage US troops, which is the correct thing to do, while also condemning dickface putin and applying the only methods we realistically can-- sanctions-- as a punishment and a message that the US will not stand for dickface putin's actions.


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« Reply #1654 on: March 28, 2022, 04:49:23 PM »
I think he's handling it reasonably well, aside from the gaffes in speech.  He continues to refuse to engage US troops, which is the correct thing to do, while also condemning dickface putin and applying the only methods we realistically can-- sanctions-- as a punishment and a message that the US will not stand for dickface putin's actions.


we are probably doing much more then sanctions but cant broadcast it - just my opinion
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« Reply #1655 on: March 28, 2022, 05:27:35 PM »
we are probably doing much more then sanctions but cant broadcast it - just my opinion
We've been giving them intelligence from the get-go, both over the air and through more secure channels.

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« Reply #1656 on: March 28, 2022, 05:30:49 PM »
We've been giving them intelligence from the get-go, both over the air and through more secure channels.

Yes, and that is known and understood by all parties, including the Russians.

And of course we're providing billions in aid, both in lethal weaponry and of the humanitarian variety.  That is also well known by all parties, including the Russians.



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« Reply #1659 on: March 28, 2022, 11:20:44 PM »

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« Reply #1660 on: March 29, 2022, 06:27:54 AM »
If so, I don't see what the hold up on getting terms would be, now, other than how much the Russians have to withdraw.

What is the Ukranian position on all this?  We don't know, rumors.

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« Reply #1661 on: March 29, 2022, 08:58:55 AM »
From all the various reports, and from Zelenskyy's own statements, it appears Ukraine is willing to drop any future plan to join NATO.  Which is easy to do since NATO wasn't going to be able to invite them anyway, with all of the ongoing uncertainty and conflict, which has been part of dickface putin's strategy all along.

But they don't appear to be willing to cede any territory, or any rights to sovereignty.  Which is also understandable, because if they cede it now, it'll just be another few years before dickface putin comes back and invades more.  He believes all of Ukraine should be subjugated to Russia, and he's proven that for the past decade.  The proof is in the pudding.  Nothing more need be said. I don't suspect Ukraine will make the same mistake they did in 2014.  They know better, now.



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« Reply #1664 on: March 29, 2022, 09:44:02 AM »
Goes to show you how much Putin trusts his negotiators.

As for the Ukranian position, I would imagine it's a minimum of status quo ante bellum, if not more

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« Reply #1665 on: March 29, 2022, 10:03:45 AM »
Ukraine will end up acknowledging Crimea and Donbass are now part of Russia, among other things.  That would leave "The West" in a spot of sorts.


 

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