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Topic: The Ukraine Topic

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1639 on: March 28, 2022, 10:45:02 AM »
Then it would be quite a thing.

But we can build ourselves a whole world of the more wild “what ifs.” And in the end, they’re more often wild stories we tell ourselves to make the world seem more interesting.
So lemme ask... You approve of our "leader" through all of this?

There is nothing "wild" about this.

We're talking about a guy with nuke codes - a guy that only cares about ice cream.
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« Reply #1640 on: March 28, 2022, 11:00:53 AM »
I do not approve of our fearless leader or his administration for a great many reasons not to be discussed here.  But his recent gaffs, 3 in 2 days, I think demonstrated that he's really not up to the task.  Although the last one when he got off his script was right on the mark, that Putin has to go.  And they promptly walked it back for him.
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« Reply #1641 on: March 28, 2022, 11:13:29 AM »
everyone wants Putin gone, but ending the war should be done as quickly as possible.

That leaves Putin in power for a while

and talking about removing Putin to the press doesn't help the matter at all

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« Reply #1642 on: March 28, 2022, 11:39:21 AM »
everyone wants Putin gone, but ending the war should be done as quickly as possible.

That leaves Putin in power for a while

and talking about removing Putin to the press doesn't help the matter at all

moron is Biden
I'd love for the war to be over.

But I don't agree that "ending the war should be done as quickly as possible."  

Because the reality is, "ending the war" can't, won't, and shouldn't be done, until Ukraine and Russia resolve it.

And the only way I see for that to happen, is for Russia to stop slaughtering Ukraine and withdraw.

But I certainly agree that nobody in the US should be talking openly about removing dickface putin, even if we all know that plans and contingencies are being discussed as we speak, by the governments of pretty much every nation in the world.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1643 on: March 28, 2022, 11:42:03 AM »
It will end when Russia thinks it has enough, and Ukraine says OK.

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« Reply #1644 on: March 28, 2022, 11:44:40 AM »
It will end when Russia thinks it has enough, and Ukraine says OK.
I disagree.  It will move into insurgency mode at that point.  But I don't see Ukraine ever completely capitulating, because they'll just be waiting until the NEXT time Russia invades.

Don't believe me?  It's exactly what's happening now, after 2014.  As long as Russia has a military, Ukraine will never be done with Russia invading them.  And they know this.  Which is why they're trying to bleed out Russia's military.  And they will continue to try to do that.  As long as a single one of them is alive.

Because they know Russia wants to "liberate" them, even if that means slaughtering every last one of them.  That's no way to live, and they've clearly decided against it.

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« Reply #1645 on: March 28, 2022, 11:45:36 AM »
I'd love for the war to be over.

But I don't agree that "ending the war should be done as quickly as possible." 

Because the reality is, "ending the war" can't, won't, and shouldn't be done, until Ukraine and Russia resolve it.

And the only way I see for that to happen, is for Russia to stop slaughtering Ukraine and withdraw.

But I certainly agree that nobody in the US should be talking openly about removing dickface putin, even if we all know that plans and contingencies are being discussed as we speak, by the governments of pretty much every nation in the world.

I strongly disagree

stop the slaughtering ASAP, with or without a withdraw or resolution
a withdraw and resolution can be worked out later
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« Reply #1646 on: March 28, 2022, 11:48:07 AM »
I'm so bummed. Darn it.
Like pretty much everything else Russia does, this hurts their own citizenry a lot more than it hurts anyone else.  It cuts off family members from all of those nations, from being able to visit their Russian relatives in Russia.  And they're already cracking down on travel of Russians going out of country, I expect that to continue and get much more draconian in the near future.

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« Reply #1647 on: March 28, 2022, 11:49:11 AM »
I strongly disagree

stop the slaughtering ASAP, with or without a withdraw or resolution
a withdraw and resolution can be worked out later
Only Russia can "stop the slaughtering" so who's going to suggest your solution to dickface putin?  I mean, France, Israel, Germany, Turkey, and a dozen other nations have already tried.

Didn't work.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1648 on: March 28, 2022, 11:55:08 AM »
I think the Ukranian government will eventually say OK to Russian demands, probably with some minor troop withdrawals in the north.  What happens after that could be an insurgency in the contested regions.  We seem headed for bloody stalemate with Russia targeting civilians now.  If Russia can secure Mariopul to some extent, they may agree to a crease fire, and then negotiate.

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« Reply #1649 on: March 28, 2022, 12:31:07 PM »
I think the Ukranian government will eventually say OK to Russian demands, probably with some minor troop withdrawals in the north.  What happens after that could be an insurgency in the contested regions.  We seem headed for bloody stalemate with Russia targeting civilians now.  If Russia can secure Mariopul to some extent, they may agree to a crease fire, and then negotiate.
I'd like to think that hostilities could end that way, but I don't see it.  It's exactly what they did in 2014, and it failed quite spectacularly, as is now obvious. I'll be surprised if they make the same mistake again.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1651 on: March 28, 2022, 01:04:16 PM »
I say the war ends when China decides to continue it isnt in their best interest
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