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Mdot21

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1568 on: March 25, 2022, 06:48:10 PM »
I'm assuming he misspoke, but this is a really bad time to misspeak on this particular subject.

There is zero doubt the Russian propagandists will latch onto it and say, "See, we TOLD you the USA was going to send in troops!"
yeah, really bad timing to misspeak. it's also a bad time for him to be calling Putin a war criminal. Like I get the sentiment to say that- I certainly agree with that- and it's fine if the media goes on about that- but the President of the United States should not be declaring that and making statements that will probably only inflame tensions and escalate the situation. Have to practice a little bit of measure and diplomacy and try to diffuse tensions and deescalate the situation. 

Biden has a fat mouth in his old man stage- the guy was not really flying off at the mouth before. His big mouth cost him with the Saudis and seriously damaged US-Saudi relations. Don't need it inflaming this current crisis.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1570 on: March 25, 2022, 11:12:45 PM »
this is why the Hitler crap is ridiculous.....guess this idiot must've never heard of Zyklon B...


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« Reply #1571 on: March 26, 2022, 01:46:19 AM »
yeah, really bad timing to misspeak. it's also a bad time for him to be calling Putin a war criminal. Like I get the sentiment to say that- I certainly agree with that- and it's fine if the media goes on about that- but the President of the United States should not be declaring that and making statements that will probably only inflame tensions and escalate the situation. Have to practice a little bit of measure and diplomacy and try to diffuse tensions and deescalate the situation.

Biden has a fat mouth in his old man stage- the guy was not really flying off at the mouth before. His big mouth cost him with the Saudis and seriously damaged US-Saudi relations. Don't need it inflaming this current crisis.
What military authority are you?
It has been well-managed by the U.S., not perfect. The U.S. should have told Putin there were limits that would result in U.S. / NATO military retaliation, if certain weapons were deployed. And, the U. S. might have to open supply chain avenues and avenues for refugees.
Our country should not support the former Soviet Union, or its successor in interest, in an engagement against a sovereign European democracy.

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« Reply #1572 on: March 26, 2022, 01:49:28 AM »
The Russians have reportedly had 6 generals killed

when is the last time you saw an army lose 6 generals

I think Ukraine had a little help killing them
Seven Russian generals/admirals killed now.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1573 on: March 26, 2022, 07:23:49 AM »
Zyklon B is not considered a chemical weapon for obvious reasons.  It was used, but not weaponized.

Hitler did have considerable stocks of actual chemical weapons, Tabun was one,  which were never used.

I think Biden has done better than I expected he might, or feared he might, but in reality it was pretty easy for a coalition to form over this in the West, and China and India were always going to play their games.  His misstatement has not been widely reported.

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« Reply #1574 on: March 26, 2022, 08:11:03 AM »
yikes. that's not good. but the guy is 80 years old and suffering from dementia, so maybe it's just his typical old man babbling ie corn pop being a dude and the black kids touching his hairy legs.
He'll feel better after a diaper change and a scolding
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1575 on: March 26, 2022, 08:37:37 AM »
I guess I'm wrong about the definition of chemical weapon (Zyklon B above):

For the purposes of this Convention:
  • “Chemical Weapons” means the following, together or separately:

    • Toxic chemicals and their precursors, except where intended for purposes not prohibited under this Convention, as long as the types and quantities are consistent with such purposes;
    • Munitions and devices, specifically designed to cause death or other harm through the toxic properties of those toxic chemicals specified in subparagraph (a), which would be released as a result of the employment of such munitions and devices;
    • Any equipment specifically designed for use directly in connection with the employment of munitions and devices specified in subparagraph (b).
  • “Toxic Chemical” means:
    Any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals. This includes all such chemicals, regardless of their origin or of their method of production, and regardless of whether they are produced in facilities, in munitions or elsewhere. (For the purpose of implementing this Convention, toxic chemicals which have been identified for the application of verification measures are listed in Schedules contained in the Annex on Chemicals.)



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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1576 on: March 26, 2022, 08:40:09 AM »
Obviously, many lab chemicals are toxic, they aren't being used to hurt humans, hopefully, but could be.  Reactive chemicals are quite useful, and they react with things like people adversely.  It's sort of interesting to me they are classified as a weapon unless used for "useful purposes".  So, as soon as I take some chemical and employ it to harm a person, I have weaponized it?

That strikes me as overly broad, but there it is.  Literally.

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« Reply #1577 on: March 26, 2022, 09:17:48 AM »
I don't think it would be difficult to distinguish use of chemical weapons in practice.  

Hopefully we won't have to.


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« Reply #1578 on: March 26, 2022, 09:22:03 AM »
The common nerve agents and their residues are detectable with near certainty.  Some are persistent, for a time, others degrade fairly quickly but that too is easily detected.

Nerve agents are basically pesticides on steroids.  They cause your nerves to all fire uncontrollably to the point you can break your own bones apparently.  And they are liquids at room temperature.  The weaponization requires they be dispersed without destroying them.

I once worked on pest control, briefly, it was interesting.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1579 on: March 26, 2022, 09:42:52 AM »
I'm assuming he misspoke, but this is a really bad time to misspeak on this particular subject.

There is zero doubt the Russian propagandists will latch onto it and say, "See, we TOLD you the USA was going to send in troops!"


What if he didn't misspeak?

What if the gaffe was revealing the true plan while he was not supposed to do so?
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1580 on: March 26, 2022, 09:47:16 AM »
Yeah, it's not as if he misspeaks very often.

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« Reply #1581 on: March 26, 2022, 09:49:25 AM »
What if he didn't misspeak?

What if the gaffe was revealing the true plan while he was not supposed to do so?
The White House has walked this back so I really dont think our troops are going to Ukraine
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