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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1540 on: March 25, 2022, 12:11:13 PM »
Biden has promised a strong reaction of some sort if Russia employs chemical weapons.  That worries me.

Of course such "red lines" in the past have been ignored.


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« Reply #1541 on: March 25, 2022, 12:13:41 PM »
this should scare everyone. Kremlin spokesperson refuses to rule out possibility of nuclear strikes when pressed in an interview. Russian military doctrine is the same as Soviet doctrine- which states that threats to the government falling (regime change) is justified cause to use nuclear weapons. And top ranking Russian military officers have been refusing to talk to their US counterparts in the Pentagon. After the Cuban missile crisis when JFK and Khrushchev established the "red phone" hotline from DC to Moscow so there could be direct communication which would reduce the risk of nuclear war occurring by accident or miscalculation - that was obviously a great thing. Those lines of communication are closed right now. 

People do not realize that we are literally closer to nuclear war than we have been maybe ever. I don't see people shouting from the mountain tops about this in the media. All the media seems to be doing is pressing for US to "do more" - ie - start WWIII and nuclear holocaust.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1542 on: March 25, 2022, 12:17:44 PM »
Who in the media is calling for us to "do more"?  Is it "all the media", or perhaps just a few voices here and there?


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1543 on: March 25, 2022, 12:19:02 PM »

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« Reply #1544 on: March 25, 2022, 12:21:45 PM »
Biden has promised a strong reaction of some sort if Russia employs chemical weapons.  That worries me.

Of course such "red lines" in the past have been ignored.
it's unclear why Russia would even employ chemical weapons. Seems very strange to me US keeps bringing it up.

And yes, all we have to do is recall Syria. Obama made a "red line" about chemical weapons that were not followed through on. 

And by the way, several whistleblowers from the OPCW and leaked emails from WikiLeaks and a bunch of great reporting by independent investigative journalists on the ground in Syria- seriously call into question the official narrative of Assad using chemical weapons. There is no conclusive evidence that Assad in fact did use chemical weapons, and there was even evidence suggesting that "rebels" (in reality, f**king terrorists) in Syria are the ones who may have staged a chemical attack to blame it on Assad to get US to invade and overthrow him. Which logically, just makes a ton of sense. If you're Assad and you're already winning- but then the US issues a "red line" and says the only way they're going to invade and overthrow you is if you use chemical weapons - well then you have zero incentive to actually use chemical weapons. If you're a Syrian "rebel" (TERRORIST) then well, staging a chemical attack to drag the Americans in to overthrow Assad is something you'd absolutely want to do.

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« Reply #1545 on: March 25, 2022, 12:22:47 PM »
Who in the media is calling for us to "do more"?  Is it "all the media", or perhaps just a few voices here and there?
uh yeah I guess you haven't been paying much attention....

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« Reply #1546 on: March 25, 2022, 12:23:52 PM »
Hello? Moscow? US says Russian defence officials picked up test call of ‘hotline’ | The Independent

This is from 3 March and may have changed.
the videos I just posted you are from yesterday, and while I try to give news outlets the benefit of the doubt and not bash them- The Independent is flat out garbage. Wouldn't expect anything less from basically a tabloid rag that's owned and funded by the Saudis though.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1547 on: March 25, 2022, 12:25:11 PM »
So, you're saying "all the media" are calling for the US to "do more" and start a nuclear war?  I had not seen that, aside from perhaps a few fringe actors.

If anything, most of what I read is asking for a cautious balancing act with an understanding of the risks.  Maybe I should read OAN or something obscure.


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« Reply #1548 on: March 25, 2022, 12:27:38 PM »
So, you're saying "all the media" are calling for the US to "do more" and start a nuclear war?  I had not seen that, aside from perhaps a few fringe actors.

If anything, most of what I read is asking for a cautious balancing act with an understanding of the risks.  Maybe I should read OAN or something obscure.
yeah. no. have you not watched any White House press conference with Jen Psaki? CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Fox News, and every other damn member of the media in those press conferences pressing Psaki on why aren't you doing more and imposing a no fly zone.


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« Reply #1549 on: March 25, 2022, 12:27:57 PM »
So, you're saying "all the media" are calling for the US to "do more" and start a nuclear war?  I had not seen that, aside from perhaps a few fringe actors.

If anything, most of what I read is asking for a cautious balancing act with an understanding of the risks.  Maybe I should read OAN or something obscure.
Well then, you're not paying attention at all.

WTF is OAN?

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1550 on: March 25, 2022, 12:31:21 PM »
yeah. no. have you not watched any White House press conference with Jen Psaki? CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Fox News, and every other damn member of the media in those press conferences pressing Psaki on why aren't you doing more and imposing a no fly zone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjnzKrvPkiw
This is just the usual political bantering meaning nothing at all.  Nobody in the actual media is calling for nuclear war, or anything making that more likely, unless you watch OAN perhaps (One America News, a kind of MSNBC on the right, sort of).

These are legit questions to be asked, and answered, they aren't someone pushing for nuclear war.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1551 on: March 25, 2022, 12:41:34 PM »
Reporters SHOULD ask "tough" (gotcha) questions, it's their role, it doesn't mean they want nuclear war, or escalation, or anything but a slip up they can write about.  It's the usual give and take game played in DC.  Reporters are always looking for a "gotcha".  Asking why we're not getting more military aid to Ukraine is a legitimate question in my mind.  I don't view this as wanting massive escalation, it's their job to ask such things.

I suppose with a good bit of hyperbole we can conflate that with "everyone the media" asking for nuclear war.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1552 on: March 25, 2022, 12:44:05 PM »
Incidentally, Russia has only one Typhoon class ballistic missile submarine left, and its status is uncertain, it may not be operational.  I'd guess most of the land based arsenal is in OK shape, but do you think the odds are high they would engage in a nuclear first strike against the US?


 

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