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Cincydawg

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1472 on: March 23, 2022, 01:50:59 PM »
Nearly one-third of the total forces engaged at Gettysburg became casualties. George Gordon Meade’s Army of the Potomac lost 28 percent of the men involved; Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia suffered over 37 percent.

Of these casualties, 7,058 were fatalities (3,155 Union, 3,903 Confederate). Another 33,264 had been wounded (14,529 Union, 18,735 Confederate) and 10,790 were missing (5,365 Union, 5,425 Confederate).


The number is equal to or double the number killed in three days at Gettysburg.  

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1473 on: March 23, 2022, 01:57:50 PM »
Nearly one-third of the total forces engaged at Gettysburg became casualties. George Gordon Meade’s Army of the Potomac lost 28 percent of the men involved; Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia suffered over 37 percent.

Of these casualties, 7,058 were fatalities (3,155 Union, 3,903 Confederate). Another 33,264 had been wounded (14,529 Union, 18,735 Confederate) and 10,790 were missing (5,365 Union, 5,425 Confederate).


The number is equal to or double the number killed in three days at Gettysburg. 
Sounds pretty bloody.  But it's also counting the losses on both sides.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1474 on: March 23, 2022, 02:07:22 PM »
Yes, and you had approximately equal numbers of troops engaged as in Ukraine, just over three days instead of nearly a month.  But it goes to the pace of combat operations in Ukraine, it's not something low intensity if these figures are close.  It's medium intensity, give or take.  The Russians are losing as many as 500 men per day.  That's major combat on a sustained level, it means a lot of Russian families are getting bad news unless they suppressed it.  It's also ten percent of their force give or take, which is a point at which less experienced troops will lose morale and combat power.

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« Reply #1475 on: March 23, 2022, 02:52:05 PM »
Yeah, speaking more about more modern warfare, and also more specifically about invasion forces...

The US lost around 2,400 total in Afghanistan over 20 years, and the combined coalition forces were around 3,400.


Russia lost around 15,000 in Afghanistan over 10 years.

The US lost about 4,400 in Iraq.

And the US lost about 58,000 in Vietnam.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1476 on: March 23, 2022, 03:07:50 PM »
It's rare we've had conflicts involving two organized militaries going at it of late.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1477 on: March 23, 2022, 04:32:19 PM »
From April 2021-- Uncanny Predictions of Ukraine war by Russian MP Alexander Nevzorov.

This really is worth 10 minutes of your time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OutvYSl_TLc&t=569s

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« Reply #1478 on: March 23, 2022, 06:17:22 PM »
That was amazing
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1480 on: March 23, 2022, 07:57:46 PM »
From April 2021-- Uncanny Predictions of Ukraine war by Russian MP Alexander Nevzorov.

This really is worth 10 minutes of your time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OutvYSl_TLc&t=569s
that was a terrific video. 

My favorite line of his: 

"All of the military analytics are made predominately by fools who have either long lost touch with reality or never even touched it in the first place." 

Damn. That's spot on. Hits home hard after all the crap we've seen in the US. 

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1482 on: March 23, 2022, 10:11:30 PM »
that was a terrific video.

My favorite line of his:

"All of the military analytics are made predominately by fools who have either long lost touch with reality or never even touched it in the first place."

Damn. That's spot on. Hits home hard after all the crap we've seen in the US.

It hits a lot harder home for them, after they've engaged in a war they cannot win, that can only result in the destruction of their economy and the global excommunication or death of their dictator.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1483 on: March 24, 2022, 09:02:40 AM »
former CIA director Leon Panetta: "We are engaged in a conflict here. It's a proxy war with Russia, whether we say so or not."

 

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