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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1456 on: March 23, 2022, 03:49:12 AM »
How can you simultaneously be doing things that you do on different days?
Because days are episodic and consciousness is ongoing, friend.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1457 on: March 23, 2022, 07:03:09 AM »
The heads begin to roll in Russia | TheHill

Fairly interesting.  

In Ukraine, nothing has changed, has it?  More destruction, more lack of movement.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1459 on: March 23, 2022, 09:16:03 AM »
The heads begin to roll in Russia | TheHill

Fairly interesting. 

In Ukraine, nothing has changed, has it?  More destruction, more lack of movement.


Well we've all laughed at the melting snow-turned-mud halting Russia's military, but apparently winter wasn't over.  Russian troops lacking winter gear are being pulled out due to frostbite.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1460 on: March 23, 2022, 10:01:10 AM »
Hey I'm all for leaving the rest of the world to its own devices.  Zero skin off my back telling Europe and Asia to go pound sand.  And also, don't come crying to us when you shit in your own dinner bowl.


i'm not, because it's no longer possible to isolate and not be impacted tremendously when shit hits the fan elsewhere. in theory i'm fine with it, but it's not practical in today's world.

having said that, we absolutely should be holding europe's feet to the fire for them to hold up their end to secure a safety, free world. either pony up the funds to support and stop bitching about how we police, or be a legitimate partner in doing so. i'm tired of incurring 80%+ of the financial, materiel, and personnel cost to keep world safe. and we're certainly not above reproach and corruption, so would also be nice to have a partner that can hold us accountable. same goes for asia, africa, mid east, and all our allies.

would be good for all for the us to reduce force projection and have others take it upon themselves to keep their region stable and safe.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1461 on: March 23, 2022, 10:30:10 AM »
A tremendous amount of our military spending is to be able to project force anywhere around the world.

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« Reply #1462 on: March 23, 2022, 11:14:37 AM »
Well we've all laughed at the melting snow-turned-mud halting Russia's military, but apparently winter wasn't over.  Russian troops lacking winter gear are being pulled out due to frostbite.
It's possible they've made some logistical errors during this invasion.

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« Reply #1463 on: March 23, 2022, 12:42:29 PM »
i'm not, because it's no longer possible to isolate and not be impacted tremendously when shit hits the fan elsewhere. in theory i'm fine with it, but it's not practical in today's world.

having said that, we absolutely should be holding europe's feet to the fire for them to hold up their end to secure a safety, free world. either pony up the funds to support and stop bitching about how we police, or be a legitimate partner in doing so. i'm tired of incurring 80%+ of the financial, materiel, and personnel cost to keep world safe. and we're certainly not above reproach and corruption, so would also be nice to have a partner that can hold us accountable. same goes for asia, africa, mid east, and all our allies.

would be good for all for the us to reduce force projection and have others take it upon themselves to keep their region stable and safe.
Newsflash: most regions are relatively stable. Save for Africa, maybe. All that US meddling in internal affairs of foreign nations and intervention (sanctions, war) typically ever does is just make f**king sh*t worse. People don't want us in their countries. They don't want us in their regions. They don't want us telling them what to do. They don't want us influencing their governments or overthrowing their governments and installing sock puppets. They tend to blame us and hate us when we starve their countries with sanctions. They definitely don't want us bombing them. They definitely don't want us invading them. It's a natural reaction. Americans never like to look through the other guys lens or try to envision putting the shoe on the other foot. We have to make up stories that we're the good guys because we say so- so it must be true! And hey because we're so good and awesome, what we say goes! Be like us! Take this "democracy" we're trying to give you at the point of a barrel! 

US is PART of the world, it is NOT the world.

Europe should pay for it's own god damn defense and their feet should be held to the fire first and foremost for not allowing refugees that they took part in creating- into their countries. Most of Europe is part of NATO. US and a good chunk of it's NATO bitch-boys (UK first and foremost) literally just got done f**king destroying Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq and turning them into ruins and rubble and parking lots that now amount to failed states. ALL of them FAR worse off than they would have been if US/Europe just STAYED OUT. And you have many NATO countries that are basically racist ethno-states- (looking at you Poland "Poland for Poles!" - literal campaign slogan of the party in power right now, Lithuania, Latvia) - who completely refuse to let any refugees from that part of the world in, despite that little military club they so desperately wanted to join f**king destroying the home countries of those refugees. And why won't they let them in? Because their skin is brown? Because they don't practice Christianity? They have no problem letting in white European refugees who are christian though. Kinda weird. Really disgusting and racist.

I think it's awesome that a lot of people here and the media and in Europe are rightfully condemning Russia and Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine and care a lot about the innocents that have been killed and the refugees trying to flee the horrors of war. Would be f**king GREAT and MORE USEFUL, MEANINGFUL, & IMPACTFUL if the people and media of these countries had that same energy when their own governments commit war crimes. We have no sway over what Russia does- condemning them and reporting on the horrors of this war everyday really doesn't actually do much to change things in Russia. As citizens of our own countries though- criticizing our own and covering our own and coming together to stop voting for criminal politicians that love war and don't give a shit about the US kids fighting said wars or the people in other countries dying from US acts of aggression and to push for sanctions and boycotts of US defense contractors- would be f***king nice if that happened. As American citizens we have zero responsibility for the actions of Russia and there's not any really meaningful way we can change it. We do however have responsibility for the actions of our own government and we can change said government with our dissent and with our vote. Unfortunately there's zero dissent in the media- it's pretty uniform when it comes to war- these psychos in the corporate/mainstream media actually cheerlead war and push for war- and unfortunately both parties are pretty much always in alignment on war as well and we don't have a viable 3rd party.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1464 on: March 23, 2022, 12:51:57 PM »
It's possible they've made some logistical errors during this invasion.
Yes, it is possible.  

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1465 on: March 23, 2022, 01:17:35 PM »
Mdot could we have just 1 day without you telling us how bad the US is


and could you please take the US bashing to another thread
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1466 on: March 23, 2022, 01:27:17 PM »




Mdot could we have just 1 day without you telling us how bad the US is


and could you please take the US bashing to another thread

I don't know whether I'd call it USA bashing but it's certainly off topic for this thread.

Please take it somewhere else.

The beatings will recommence until morale improves.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1467 on: March 23, 2022, 01:30:34 PM »
There isn't much Ukraine "news" it seems.  Stalemate?  Stagnant situation?  Negotiations?

Biden goes to NATO meeting where folks will say things.



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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1469 on: March 23, 2022, 01:34:50 PM »
There isn't much Ukraine "news" it seems.  Stalemate?  Stagnant situation?  Negotiations?

Biden goes to NATO meeting where folks will say things.



Oh there's plenty of news on individual skirmishes, small victories, painful defeats, and lots and lots of slaughtering of civilian women, children, and babies.  I post maybe 1/20th of what I read and see, onto this thread.

 

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