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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1232 on: March 17, 2022, 09:01:06 AM »
Japan says it spotted Russian amphibious ships heading toward Europe | TheHill

This is weird, to me.  

The Japanese military said the four ships sailed in the Tsuruga Strait that separates Japan's Honshu island and Hokkaido island, an unusual move for Russia, Reuters reported.
The ships are able to hold dozens of military equipment, including tanks, and hundreds of troops. 

Japan's defense ministry released pictures of the ships that appeared to have military trucks on at least one of them, according to Reuters. 
When a defense ministry spokesperson was asked if the equipment could be going to Ukraine, he said "it is possible.”






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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1236 on: March 17, 2022, 09:38:51 AM »
I'd say those with private jets are jetting out of Russia ASAP, meaning they want to be away from sanctions et al. and possible social unrest.  I could see martial law in Russia's future, not that it would mean much really.  These could be the wealthy who Putin doesn't much like.


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« Reply #1237 on: March 17, 2022, 09:40:16 AM »
That is….curious.  Any ideas?

Some rumors that Putin is warring with the oligarchs, so it's possible some are fleeing Moscow?  Dubai is "friendly" to people with money and not particularly concerned with geopolitical issues that don't affect it directly.  Lots of them already have homes there.

Putin has threatened nationalization of the oligarchs' "private" companies but of course in many cases, he's the one that either installed them as, or aided them in becoming, the mob boss at the top of the power structure for each of those entities, anyway.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1238 on: March 17, 2022, 09:43:20 AM »
Oil prices are going up this AM, a fair bit, suggesting some deal is not imminent.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1239 on: March 17, 2022, 09:49:47 AM »

Since the war began, two of the few working journalists in Mariupol have been Mstyslav Chernov and Evgeniy Maloletka of The Associated Press. My colleagues and I were deeply affected by their dispatch, and we’re turning over the lead section of today’s newsletter to an excerpt from it.

The bodies of the children all lie here, dumped into this narrow trench hastily dug into the frozen earth of Mariupol to the constant drumbeat of shelling.
There’s 18-month-old Kirill, whose shrapnel wound to the head proved too much for his little toddler’s body. There’s 16-year-old Iliya, whose legs were blown up in an explosion during a soccer game at a school field. There’s the girl no older than 6 who wore the pajamas with cartoon unicorns and who was among the first of Mariupol’s children to die from a Russian shell.
They are stacked together with dozens of others in this mass grave on the outskirts of the city. A man covered in a bright blue tarp, weighed down by stones at the crumbling curb. A woman wrapped in a red and gold bedsheet, her legs neatly bound at the ankles with a scrap of white fabric. Workers toss the bodies in as fast as they can, because the less time they spend in the open, the better their own chances of survival.
“Damn them all, those people who started this!” raged Volodymyr Bykovskyi, a worker pulling crinkling black body bags from a truck.
More bodies will come, from streets where they are everywhere and from the hospital basement where the corpses of adults and children are laid out, awaiting someone to pick them up. The youngest still has an umbilical stump attached.
An apartment building in Mariupol.Evgeniy Maloletka/Associated Press
Each airstrike and shell that relentlessly pounds Mariupol — about one a minute at times — drives home the curse of a geography that has put the city squarely in the path of Russia’s domination of Ukraine. This southern seaport of 430,000 has become a symbol of the drive by Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, to crush a democratic Ukraine — and also of a fierce resistance on the ground. The city is now encircled by Russian soldiers, who are slowly squeezing the life out of it, one blast at a time.
The surrounding roads are mined and the port blocked. Food is running out, and the Russians have stopped humanitarian attempts to bring it in. Electricity is mostly gone and water is sparse, with residents melting snow to drink. People burn scraps of furniture in makeshift grills to warm their hands in the freezing cold.
Some parents have even left their newborns at the hospital, perhaps hoping to give them a chance at life in the one place with decent electricity and water.
Death is everywhere. Local officials have tallied more than 2,500 deaths in the siege, but many bodies can’t be counted because of the endless shelling. They have told families to leave their dead outside in the streets because it’s too dangerous to hold funerals.
Just weeks ago, Mariupol’s future seemed much brighter. If geography drives a city’s destiny, Mariupol was on the path to success, with its thriving iron and steel plants, a deepwater port and high global demand for both.
By Feb. 27, that started to change, as an ambulance raced into a city hospital carrying a small motionless girl, not yet 6. Her brown hair was pulled back off her pale face with a rubber band, and her pajama pants were bloodied by Russian shelling.
Her wounded father came with her, his head bandaged. Her mother stood outside the ambulance, weeping.
As the doctors and nurses huddled around her, one gave her an injection. Another shocked her with a defibrillator. “Show this to Putin,” one doctor said, with expletive-laced fury. “The eyes of this child and crying doctors.”
They couldn’t save her. Doctors covered the tiny body with her pink striped jacket and gently closed her eyes. She now rests in the mass grave.



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« Reply #1240 on: March 17, 2022, 09:59:18 AM »
Oil prices are going up this AM, a fair bit, suggesting some deal is not imminent.
So my gas prices that never actually went down, are still not going to go down?  This is shocking news to me, I say.

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« Reply #1241 on: March 17, 2022, 10:02:10 AM »
The daily bounce of spot prices can be interesting, somewhat, but it's a very short term somewhat random thing and traders are nervous.

Russian oil won't be on the market to the west for years, at best they can sell to China and India at some discount, and some to Europe. 

The largest US usage is transportation, and as I've shown, demand for gasoline isn't going away any time soon no matter what we do.

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« Reply #1242 on: March 17, 2022, 10:02:58 AM »
Since the war began, two of the few working journalists in Mariupol have been Mstyslav Chernov and Evgeniy Maloletka of The Associated Press. My colleagues and I were deeply affected by their dispatch, and we’re turning over the lead section of today’s newsletter to an excerpt from it.

The bodies of the children all lie here, dumped into this narrow trench hastily dug into the frozen earth of Mariupol to the constant drumbeat of shelling.
There’s 18-month-old Kirill, whose shrapnel wound to the head proved too much for his little toddler’s body. There’s 16-year-old Iliya, whose legs were blown up in an explosion during a soccer game at a school field. There’s the girl no older than 6 who wore the pajamas with cartoon unicorns and who was among the first of Mariupol’s children to die from a Russian shell.
They are stacked together with dozens of others in this mass grave on the outskirts of the city. A man covered in a bright blue tarp, weighed down by stones at the crumbling curb. A woman wrapped in a red and gold bedsheet, her legs neatly bound at the ankles with a scrap of white fabric. Workers toss the bodies in as fast as they can, because the less time they spend in the open, the better their own chances of survival.
“Damn them all, those people who started this!” raged Volodymyr Bykovskyi, a worker pulling crinkling black body bags from a truck.
More bodies will come, from streets where they are everywhere and from the hospital basement where the corpses of adults and children are laid out, awaiting someone to pick them up. The youngest still has an umbilical stump attached.
An apartment building in Mariupol.Evgeniy Maloletka/Associated Press
Each airstrike and shell that relentlessly pounds Mariupol — about one a minute at times — drives home the curse of a geography that has put the city squarely in the path of Russia’s domination of Ukraine. This southern seaport of 430,000 has become a symbol of the drive by Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, to crush a democratic Ukraine — and also of a fierce resistance on the ground. The city is now encircled by Russian soldiers, who are slowly squeezing the life out of it, one blast at a time.
The surrounding roads are mined and the port blocked. Food is running out, and the Russians have stopped humanitarian attempts to bring it in. Electricity is mostly gone and water is sparse, with residents melting snow to drink. People burn scraps of furniture in makeshift grills to warm their hands in the freezing cold.
Some parents have even left their newborns at the hospital, perhaps hoping to give them a chance at life in the one place with decent electricity and water.
Death is everywhere. Local officials have tallied more than 2,500 deaths in the siege, but many bodies can’t be counted because of the endless shelling. They have told families to leave their dead outside in the streets because it’s too dangerous to hold funerals.
Just weeks ago, Mariupol’s future seemed much brighter. If geography drives a city’s destiny, Mariupol was on the path to success, with its thriving iron and steel plants, a deepwater port and high global demand for both.
By Feb. 27, that started to change, as an ambulance raced into a city hospital carrying a small motionless girl, not yet 6. Her brown hair was pulled back off her pale face with a rubber band, and her pajama pants were bloodied by Russian shelling.
Her wounded father came with her, his head bandaged. Her mother stood outside the ambulance, weeping.
As the doctors and nurses huddled around her, one gave her an injection. Another shocked her with a defibrillator. “Show this to Putin,” one doctor said, with expletive-laced fury. “The eyes of this child and crying doctors.”
They couldn’t save her. Doctors covered the tiny body with her pink striped jacket and gently closed her eyes. She now rests in the mass grave.




Horrifying and deeply saddening.  I'm going to enjoy hearing about dickface Putin's death.

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« Reply #1243 on: March 17, 2022, 10:06:54 AM »
The daily bounce of spot prices can be interesting, somewhat, but it's a very short term somewhat random thing and traders are nervous.

Russian oil won't be on the market to the west for years, at best they can sell to China and India at some discount, and some to Europe.

The largest US usage is transportation, and as I've shown, demand for gasoline isn't going away any time soon no matter what we do.
I'm only kidding about the gas prices, of course, following on from our discussion yesterday.  It's nothing compared to the suffering occurring right now in Ukraine.  I'm fortunate to be in a position where the cost of gasoline doesn't directly affect me much, and indirectly I can absorb whatever inflationary cost increases for basic needs might be associated with it.  There are scores of millions in this country that have it much worse than I do, but even so, none of those people are being murdered by the bombs of an evil dictator from a neighboring country. 

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« Reply #1244 on: March 17, 2022, 10:08:22 AM »
I know.  I do think Ohio should stop naming bays after him though.

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« Reply #1245 on: March 17, 2022, 10:15:29 AM »
I had to look it up.  I'm definitely not familiar with Ohio geography.

 

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