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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1177 on: March 15, 2022, 09:33:24 PM »
FWIW, he doesn't pander.  He might be the most mainstream guy, either cable news or comedy news, who doesn't.  I never watch him, I just see when people post clips, but I'll give him one thing.  He's not just regurgitating what his audience wants him to tell them
well that's certainly true, he's pretty much always himself, a whiny douche. Okaaaay, peeeepul. 

And that's very true about his mostly brain dead audience- I've seen him tell them to shut up or f**k off before. I admire him for that.

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« Reply #1178 on: March 15, 2022, 10:28:36 PM »

those are astounding numbers if true, wow...


https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1503772250557849600?s=20&t=zDP-KjrDxYQrVdAKi5aq9w


Let's hope it's true...



https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1503767361198952456?s=20&t=zDP-KjrDxYQrVdAKi5aq9w


That's been the Russian war strategy for centuries.  Just keep throwing numbers into the meat grinder

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« Reply #1179 on: March 15, 2022, 10:36:16 PM »
well that's certainly true, he's pretty much always himself, a whiny douche. Okaaaay, peeeepul.

And that's very true about his mostly brain dead audience- I've seen him tell them to shut up or f**k off before. I admire him for that.
His audience is himself, and his friends. I mean he must be getting ratings to still be on, but I don't know who. My uncle loves him. He is a nearly 70-year-old Democrat. I guess that's it, he appeals to the old left, which is now the moderate left? The right still hates him, the left now hates him


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« Reply #1181 on: March 16, 2022, 01:45:56 AM »
this isn't brave, it's reckless and stupid. Why can't the PMs of Poland, Slovenia, and Czech Republic just you know, call or zoom Zelenskyy? They traveled by train into an active war zone- what happens if god forbid something catastrophic happened to them? World War III? Yeah, no thanks.

And again, showing how STUPID it was to continue to expand NATO and add insignificant nothing worthless countries- less than worthless countries really- that will always be insignificant nothing worthless countries- into NATO- and give them an Article V guarantee and pledge US treasure and blood to them. NATO which at the fall of the Soviet Union had 14 members- I believe. It now has 30. WHY?


https://twitter.com/Beaking_News/status/1503646643417190400?s=20&t=fLZjtVmhswmBxz1IVNWO-Q
I disagree. The Baltic states are not nothing countries. Ukraine has shown itself to be a country. The Eastern bloc countries have been solid additions. There have been no wars on their soil. These countries have to be countries with stable constitutional systems.
If only large states joined, small state democracies would be swallowed up by neighboring authoritarian states, and the world would be back where it was in the 1800s, and 1900s. NATO helps preserve member states, and world peace. Putin did not attack a NATO country. If he attacks a NATO country he risks annihilation of his person and his state.
Without NATO Eastern European countries were under constant threat of Soviet/Russian aggression. In 1968 5,000 tanks and 200,000 Warsaw Pact troops invaded Czechoslovakia to crush a brief period of liberalization in the then communist country. Like Ukraine, Czechoslovakia was not a NATO member.
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alliance, for its member states, stabilized a continent, brought peace, and accompanying economic development to states that were vulnerable to attach from others over centuries. If Ukraine had been a stable democracy before Putin gained power and were a NATO member, this war wouldn't be happening.


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« Reply #1182 on: March 16, 2022, 02:05:59 AM »
FWIW, he doesn't pander.  He might be the most mainstream guy, either cable news or comedy news, who doesn't.  I never watch him, I just see when people post clips, but I'll give him one thing.  He's not just regurgitating what his audience wants him to tell them
And people hear him say something they disagree with and say he sucks......except we need a lot more people like him talking to us on TV.  

Whether Trump was the worst president ever or not, it doesn't matter.  He was a garbage human being dipshit game show host.  Great resume.
But just because he holds that opinion doesn't mean he's far-left, as you explained.

If there were 20 Bill Maherrs on TV instead of 1, the political climate would be astronomically better.
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« Reply #1183 on: March 16, 2022, 06:57:11 AM »
The US should trade Turkey Patriots for it's new shiny Russian S400 SAMs and send them to Ukraine.  
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« Reply #1184 on: March 16, 2022, 07:16:56 AM »
If there were 20 Bill Maherrs on TV instead of 1, the political climate would be astronomically better.
I don't think so, at all.  Maher has a small audience, twenty of him would have a small audience, largely preaching to the choir.  The only time I hear anything from him is when someone posts some clip on social media, and I skip most of them, not that I represent a large portion of the population, but I suspect most are the same.

I see a problem when "we" get information and opinion from what I consider to be entertainers on TV.  

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1185 on: March 16, 2022, 07:59:01 AM »
The "news" today, I should say speculation, if Ukraine and Russia are a bit closer to some deal, probably as outlined here previously.  Ukraine may dig in for a better deal thinking Russia is suffering economically now and their military isn't apparently doing much more than damaging civilian infrastructure.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1186 on: March 16, 2022, 10:11:14 AM »
I don't think I'm wrong that this is essentially the first large-scale conflict between militaries equipped with truly modern weapons, and it feels rather Spanish Civil War-ish in the sense that modern militaries are getting a real-time lesson in what works and what doesn't in the modern arsenal.

As a former air defender (e.g., surface to air missile soldier), there is a lot about what is happening in Ukraine that is fascinating. While my knowledge is dated, at one time I knew quite a bit about how the air and ground wars interact.



Though brief and unfolding on a smaller scale, the Falkland’s War in 1982 between the UK and Argentina has served as an intense conflict of study by fascinated military experts and historians for several reasons.

For one, both sides possessed and used sophisticated weaponry against each other. It’s the first instance of a modern nuclear-powered submarine using its weaponry to sink another Navy Ship in open ocean conflict. In response, Argentina’s Air Force used advanced Exocet missiles to sink a British destroyer.

The conflict also offers a rare modern example of an amphibious invasion coordinated between Naval Surface, Naval Air, and Royal Marine Forces. Of particular emphasis of study is the British use of a Carrier Strike Group in which the Carrier is protected from sea and air threats by formations of Destroyers and Frigates. This is similarly how the U.S. Navy still projects sea power with their Carriers.

Though looked back as an oddity, like a freak accident between two unlikely opponents in an otherwise quiet corner of the world, the Falklands War became a point of reference for the U.S. Navy’s preparations for rotating Carrier strike groups into the Gulf of Aden and Persian Gulf during both Iraq Wars.

Anyway, back to Ukraine. Wouldn’t at all mind hearing, from your experience, any insider observations you might have regarding the news you’ve seen from Ukraine.

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« Reply #1187 on: March 16, 2022, 10:13:31 AM »
And people hear him say something they disagree with and say he sucks......except we need a lot more people like him talking to us on TV. 

Whether Trump was the worst president ever or not, it doesn't matter.  He was a garbage human being dipshit game show host.  Great resume.
But just because he holds that opinion doesn't mean he's far-left, as you explained.

If there were 20 Bill Maherrs on TV instead of 1, the political climate would be astronomically better.
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« Reply #1188 on: March 16, 2022, 10:16:12 AM »
Anyway, back to Ukraine. Wouldn’t at all mind hearing, from your experience, any insider observations you might have regarding the news you’ve seen from Ukraine.


Agree.  Insights like that would be far more interesting than discussing the idea of... perish the thought... TWENTY Bill Mahers! :)

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1189 on: March 16, 2022, 10:55:50 AM »
I'm not sure where I'd break a point of calling something fought with "truly modern weapons".  A main shift here is that the defense has modern defensive weapons and has held off superior armored and air components pretty well.  Tactics tend to oscillate between offense and defense (sound familiar?).

I'm sure folks will be reevaluating their armored components after this.  Iraq did not have much anti-tank capability in 1990 and the battles were "in the open".  Javelins have to be a fearsome weapon for any tanker fighting in any built up or wooded terrain.

 

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