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847badgerfan

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« Reply #1162 on: March 15, 2022, 11:35:57 AM »
This is good, if true.

Putin's forces may only be able to keep up the fight for another 14 days, defence sources say | Daily Mail Online
Putin's forces may only be able to keep up the fight for another 14 days, defence sources say | Daily Mail Online
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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« Reply #1163 on: March 15, 2022, 12:20:01 PM »
This is good, if true.

Putin's forces may only be able to keep up the fight for another 14 days, defence sources say | Daily Mail Online
Putin's forces may only be able to keep up the fight for another 14 days, defence sources say | Daily Mail Online
Your mouth to god’s ears. 

Now, if someone can throw that psycho out on his ass and install someone with less grandiose visions, that’d be super. (Also real democracy, but I’d settle for that for now)

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« Reply #1164 on: March 15, 2022, 02:01:42 PM »
Hope springs eternal.

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« Reply #1165 on: March 15, 2022, 04:35:57 PM »


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« Reply #1167 on: March 15, 2022, 07:32:44 PM »
Interesting thoughts from economist David Friedman (son of Milton)...

http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2022/03/thoughts-on-ukraine.html


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While Russia might still be able to win the military conflict, it looks to me as though their strategy now depends on besieging Ukrainian cities in order to threaten to starve the population in the hope that that will force the Ukrainian government to make substantial concessions. 
If my interpretation of the situation is correct, Putin now knows that the invasion was a mistake. The problem is that saying so and withdrawing make him look very bad, possibly resulting in his fall from power. At the same time, if it becomes clear that Russia cannot win, that the most it can do is to destroy a lot more Ukrainian property and kill a lot more Ukrainians, Zelinsky will be reluctant to agree to any terms that make it look as though Russia had gained something by the invasion. That raises the question of whether there is any agreement that would let both sides claim to their own people to have won. 
Hence my suggested terms, conditional on its being reasonably clear that Russia cannot win a military victory:
Both sides agree to referenda in the Crimea and the Donbass region, conducted by a neutral party. If a majority in the Crimea vote to join Russia, Ukraine — and, presumably, other countries supporting it — agree to accept Russian annexation of Crimea. If a majority in Donbass vote for independence, Ukraine agrees to accept it. If, on the other hand, a majority in either region votes to be part of Ukraine, Russia agrees to accept that.
When the agreement is made, Putin can claim that of course Russia will win both referenda, hence getting the result it wants. Zelinsky can claim that he is agreeing not because of the Russian military threat but because Ukraine believes in democracy. The actual referendum happens after the Russian military has withdrawn from Ukraine, so if things don't go the way Putin wants he can complain that the referendum wasn't done properly but stop short of repeating the failed invasion. In fact, I expect Russia will win in Crimea, thus actually getting something it wants — international recognition of its seizure. 
What happens in Donbass partly depends on whether the referendum is for the whole province or only the parts that have been under Russian and secessionist control. That is a high stakes gamble for both sides. A referendum in the whole province might result in Ukraine losing territory it has been controlling — but also might result in Russia losing territory it has been controlling, since the rest of the province may not be enthusiastically pro-Russian, especially after being invaded. Whichever way the referendum goes happens after the Russian army has left Ukraine, unlikely to return any time soon.


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« Reply #1168 on: March 15, 2022, 07:58:53 PM »
Interesting thoughts from economist David Friedman (son of Milton)...

http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2022/03/thoughts-on-ukraine.html
not a bad suggestion. 

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« Reply #1169 on: March 15, 2022, 08:28:21 PM »
Russia talking about their sanctions they're going to enact against the US reminds me of this...



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« Reply #1170 on: March 15, 2022, 08:30:49 PM »
this isn't brave, it's reckless and stupid. Why can't the PMs of Poland, Slovenia, and Czech Republic just you know, call or zoom Zelenskyy? They traveled by train into an active war zone- what happens if god forbid something catastrophic happened to them? World War III? Yeah, no thanks.

And again, showing how STUPID it was to continue to expand NATO and add insignificant nothing worthless countries- less than worthless countries really- that will always be insignificant nothing worthless countries- into NATO- and give them an Article V guarantee and pledge US treasure and blood to them. NATO which at the fall of the Soviet Union had 14 members- I believe. It now has 30. WHY?


https://twitter.com/Beaking_News/status/1503646643417190400?s=20&t=fLZjtVmhswmBxz1IVNWO-Q

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« Reply #1171 on: March 15, 2022, 08:46:25 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXdzAZvid0E
tuned out at him saying Trump was the worst President ever. 

Guess he completely missed W, Obama, and the current guy. 

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« Reply #1172 on: March 15, 2022, 08:55:04 PM »
Zelenskyy says in a speech, Ukraine will not join NATO.



https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1503851739044319237?s=20&t=fLZjtVmhswmBxz1IVNWO-Q


yeah, and you know who could've put the kibosh on this day one: US. NATO is our stupid little club. We own it. Instead they continue to give false hope, false promises, encourage them on, flood them with lethal arms, train their insane neo-nazi militias (sup Azov and C14) and then do nothing and sit back and watch and let them get wrecked by their much more powerful neighbor in the process- just to bleed said neighbor- and contain and push it out of Western Europe for once and all.

IF US tries their hand at diplomacy and tries to negotiate with Russia on the NATO topic, maybe this war gets avoided. We'll never know, because US simply put- flatly refused to negotiate.

God damn man, Professor Mearsheimer predicted this entire thing to a T back in 2015.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfk-qaqP2Ws
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1174 on: March 15, 2022, 09:11:02 PM »
Man that guy sucks.
I agree with you. A lot. 

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« Reply #1175 on: March 15, 2022, 09:27:23 PM »
FWIW, he doesn't pander.  He might be the most mainstream guy, either cable news or comedy news, who doesn't.  I never watch him, I just see when people post clips, but I'll give him one thing.  He's not just regurgitating what his audience wants him to tell them

 

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