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utee94

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1120 on: March 14, 2022, 04:59:16 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 14, 2022, 04:03:59 PM
you're probably right, but I don't doubt for a second that even still they are 1000x tougher and more built to withstand hardship than modern Americans. We are the weakest, whiniest, laziest, bunch of soft little sissy bitches in the entire world.
Irrelevant self-loathing.  No need to respond any further than that. 
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1121 on: March 14, 2022, 05:15:03 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 14, 2022, 04:52:01 PM
Goldman Sachs is still making coin trading Russian debt- story just broke about it. And they want stop either. You can bet your ass on that. But if foreign investment leaves and do so permanently, could be more than a 30 year set back for Russia.

But, Putin is probably going to die soon. Statistically speaking that is. He's already 70. How much longer does he really have to live and rule the country? Maybe the next guy isn't as big a prick?
Goldman Sachs (GS) to Exit Russia in Wall Street’s First Pullout - Bloomberg

US life expectancy for a 70 year old male is nearly 13 years.  Putin is probably in that range given his access to health care, he's not obese, and he apparently exercises.
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« Reply #1122 on: March 14, 2022, 05:21:44 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 14, 2022, 05:15:03 PM
Goldman Sachs (GS) to Exit Russia in Wall Street’s First Pullout - Bloomberg

US life expectancy for a 70 year old male is nearly 13 years.  Putin is probably in that range given his access to health care, he's not obese, and he apparently exercises.
yeah, that's just PR bullsh*t. they're still trading heavy on Russian corporate debt. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/goldman-sachs-profits-ukraine-war-loophole-sanctions-rcna19584

https://www.axios.com/goldman-sachs-david-solomon-isolating-russia-e7db1d56-b46f-446e-b89e-93220b14468e.html

https://www.mic.com/impact/goldman-sachs-russia-ukraine-debt

Goldman Sachs CEO: Isolating Russia is "not our job"

as far life expectancy goes, sure he might live another 13 years- but will he rule for all those 13 years? at some point he'll start to deteriorate or lose interest and step down.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1123 on: March 14, 2022, 05:27:56 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 14, 2022, 05:21:44 PM


as far life expectancy goes, sure he might live another 13 years- but will he rule for all those 13 years? at some point he'll start to deteriorate or lose interest and step down.
then he can run for office in the US
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« Reply #1124 on: March 14, 2022, 05:29:22 PM »
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« Reply #1125 on: March 14, 2022, 05:30:50 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 14, 2022, 05:27:56 PM
then he can run for office in the US
yeah....but does he like ice cream? and what's his favorite flavor? 
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1126 on: March 14, 2022, 05:34:34 PM »
There is nothing illegal about brokering Russian debt trades. In fact, the Biden administration gave investment firms a green light to trade in Russian assets.

If GS thinks Russian debt is worth buying now, that's on them.  And they could end up with a pile of worthless notes.  It's risky, they probably are hedging the bet.

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« Reply #1127 on: March 14, 2022, 05:50:01 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 14, 2022, 05:27:56 PM
then he can run for office in the US
That's some funny shit right there.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1128 on: March 14, 2022, 05:50:12 PM »
I am still struck by how this thing has apparently devolved into some kind of stalemate.  Russian forces seem to have little strategy for isolating Ukrainian resistance and cutting supply lines, and the news day after day is mostly the same.   The markets can't seem to figure it out either, duh. 

Maybe it's the mud, maybe it's poor morale and training, maybe the Ukrainians are just well equipped for defensive purposes, maybe it's tough to take larger cities ...

I suspect some combination of the above.  In WW Two, Zhukov would be relieving commanders right and left and throwing more troops at whoever appeared to be making some progress.  
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1129 on: March 14, 2022, 06:01:45 PM »
The Ukrainians have obviously watched "Enemy at the Gates" Putin obviously has not:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IQJY5SsJ64
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« Reply #1130 on: March 14, 2022, 06:06:08 PM »
The new announcement of COVID lockdowns likely has a lot to do with it, but they've had lockdowns off and on over the past 2 years, including even stricter ones than this in early 2020, and it still didn't tank their market like this has.  I have no doubt fear of China supporting Russia is affecting the outlook for their stocks right now.


https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1503389640862179334?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1503389640862179334%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FASLuhn%2Fstatus%2F1503389640862179334
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1131 on: March 14, 2022, 07:18:35 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 14, 2022, 05:34:34 PM
There is nothing illegal about brokering Russian debt trades. In fact, the Biden administration gave investment firms a green light to trade in Russian assets.

If GS thinks Russian debt is worth buying now, that's on them.  And they could end up with a pile of worthless notes.  It's risky, they probably are hedging the bet.
yeah, I never said anything about it being illegal. I said the idea Goldman Sachs are "completely exiting Russia!" was just some woke PR bullshit they were using to score public brownie points. They aren't out of Russia. They are still making that money money....monnnnnaaaay in Russia brokering Russian gov't and corporate debt.

it's risky, cause who knows how this ends, but might not be a bad play to make that monnnnnaaaay. 

like Buffett always said though, be scared when people are greedy, and be greedy when people are scared.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1132 on: March 14, 2022, 07:24:14 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 14, 2022, 06:06:08 PM
The new announcement of COVID lockdowns likely has a lot to do with it, but they've had lockdowns off and on over the past 2 years, including even stricter ones than this in early 2020, and it still didn't tank their market like this has.  I have no doubt fear of China supporting Russia is affecting the outlook for their stocks right now.


https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1503389640862179334?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1503389640862179334%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FASLuhn%2Fstatus%2F1503389640862179334
serious question here, you're very knowledgeable about China- would it even be possible to sanction the crap out of China? seems like we are way to interlinked/dependent on China. wouldn't sanctioning the crap out of China probably just tank the economy here?
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1133 on: March 14, 2022, 07:26:16 PM »
Elon Musks challenges Putin to single combat. Winner takes Ukraine. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/03/14/elon-musk-putin-fight-ukraine/7036541001/
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