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MrNubbz

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1092 on: March 14, 2022, 10:40:08 AM »
Because he was backing the German Green Party's war against nuclear, in order to increase German dependence on Russian oil and gas.

Yes, it sounds completely nonsensical, and yet it worked perfectly...

(...until he screwed it all up with this invasion...)
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« Reply #1094 on: March 14, 2022, 11:35:19 AM »
Thats wild
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« Reply #1095 on: March 14, 2022, 11:51:12 AM »
Why would Putin donate to "green energy" policies when he's trying to sell them oil?
Aside from closing nuke plants, they also prevented fracking in Germany, and most of Europe.  So, they buy oil and NG from Russia, where it is cleaner, or something.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1096 on: March 14, 2022, 12:33:22 PM »
Oil prices falling today, WTI is down over 6%.


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« Reply #1097 on: March 14, 2022, 12:57:49 PM »
Oil prices falling today, WTI is down over 6%.


A lot of this was the result of a US official saying Russia was showing signs it might be willing to have substantive

negotiations over Ukraine

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/commodities/news/oil-prices-slide-extending-last-weeks-decline/articleshow/90192143.cms
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1098 on: March 14, 2022, 01:04:02 PM »
Putin's Ukraine invasion will spur 30-year economic setback: experts (cnbc.com)
Putin's Ukraine invasion will spur 30-year economic setback: experts (cnbc.com)


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1100 on: March 14, 2022, 01:29:38 PM »
How can Russia ever rejoin any community of nations so long as Putin is there?

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« Reply #1101 on: March 14, 2022, 02:42:25 PM »
I don't think I'm wrong that this is essentially the first large-scale conflict between militaries equipped with truly modern weapons, and it feels rather Spanish Civil War-ish in the sense that modern militaries are getting a real-time lesson in what works and what doesn't in the modern arsenal. 

As a former air defender (e.g., surface to air missile soldier), there is a lot about what is happening in Ukraine that is fascinating. While my knowledge is dated, at one time I knew quite a bit about how the air and ground wars interact. 

I'm not surprised, but I'm disappointed in the lack of understanding by arm-chair generals about why a "no-fly zone" or sending Polish Mig 29s to Ukraine have serious limitations in their efficacy/usefulness. Imagine, politics seems to have more influence on some people than the specifics of how things actually work.

This has also, so far, been quite an education in the complexity and difficulty of military operations. The old saying is that amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics, and we're seeing a good example of the logistical problems in warfare playing out in Ukraine. We're also seeing the impact of troop morale, training, and equipment. Combined arms operations (e.g., infantry, armor, artillery, air, all at the same time) are difficult, and require practice to do well. And the least effective equipment relied on by any single unit ends up being the equipment that dictates how that unit operates. 

It both fascinates me, and at the same time horrifies me to take an analytical view of something that is nothing short of horrific in practice.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1102 on: March 14, 2022, 03:12:43 PM »
By the looks of it Ukraine already has a big area of no fly zones

No reason to bring a direct confrontation between the US and or other NATO country and Russia

It appears the American military feels the same way
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« Reply #1103 on: March 14, 2022, 03:54:02 PM »

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1502425165543714816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1502425165543714816%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fvisegrad24%2Fstatus%2F1502425165543714816%3Fs%3D21
I've never heard of Visegrad24, but that may be one of the dumbest tweets I've ever seen. 

Anyone who has paid even a little bit of attention to the Syrian war can tell you that it didn't become a complete humanitarian disaster until after the CIA started arming, training, funding, and flooding weapons to "freedom fighting rebels" that were largely just Al-Qaeda affiliates/off-shots- all in an effort to topple the Assad regime. 

You can look it up, CIA program called Timber Sycamore. Professor Jeffrey Sachs talks about it below on MSNBC. He predicted the entire outcome of the conflict in Syria once the US got involved and armed, trained, and funded "rebels" (aka terrorists) in a proxy war to fight the Assad regime.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abCkOe5KGxI


Had Assad been overthrown, Syria would literally be run by terrorists right now. Great plan, Obama administration. These guys literally were the stupidest people in the room. And they are back in charge baby. 

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1104 on: March 14, 2022, 04:00:02 PM »
Maybe MDot is Putin. Would explain his Michigan fandom
Well. I think you could argue that Michigan is kind of like the Russia of college football. A once long ago great power, that is now decayed and fun to laugh at- not nearly as great or tough or important as they think- and is also someone else's bitch now (Russia: China's bitch, Michigan: OSU's bitch).

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« Reply #1105 on: March 14, 2022, 04:03:59 PM »
I see a lot of people saying stuff like this.  I don't buy it for a second.

There are now two generations of Russians that never knew the CCCP, never knew bread lines, and have nothing in common with their ancestors that were notorious for bearing hardships.  They also know the world far beyond what the state-owned media ever allowed their parents and grandparents to see.  Putin is struggling to control the narrative even from state-media sources, and newer generations have had access beyond that.  Even with Facebook and instagram shut down, Youtube and Tik Tok have still been able to penetrate.

This ain't your dad's Russia.  And I don't expect them to just stoically accept their lot.
you're probably right, but I don't doubt for a second that even still they are 1000x tougher and more built to withstand hardship than modern Americans. We are the weakest, whiniest, laziest, bunch of soft little sissy bitches in the entire world. 

 

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