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MaximumSam

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1008 on: March 11, 2022, 04:01:55 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 11, 2022, 03:57:04 PM
Keep on posting about Afghanistan and Yemen and it'll keep on getting deleted.  It didn't happen by mistake.

Your whataboutism is tiresome and irrelevant.  Try some other tactic if you really feel you must blame the USA for Russia slaughtering Ukraine.
Keep on deleting it and I'll keep on posting it. Deleting points because they are inconvenient and don't lead to the proper opinion we are supposed to have is not really the point of message boarding.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1009 on: March 11, 2022, 04:03:52 PM »


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Ukraine is a sovereign nation and Russia has no right to demand anything of it


To avoid the police, lots of sovereign nations have demands made on them all the time. When they are at a disadvantage militarily, they often get invaded. So what is special here?
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1010 on: March 11, 2022, 04:08:56 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 11, 2022, 04:01:55 PM
Keep on deleting it and I'll keep on posting it. Deleting points because they are inconvenient and don't lead to the proper opinion we are supposed to have is not really the point of message boarding.
Just take your US caused all this posts to the in other news thread

and quit being bullheaded

hell I'll even joist with you over there about it
« Last Edit: March 11, 2022, 04:14:28 PM by longhorn320 »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1011 on: March 11, 2022, 04:11:13 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 11, 2022, 04:01:55 PM
Keep on deleting it and I'll keep on posting it. Deleting points because they are inconvenient and don't lead to the proper opinion we are supposed to have is not really the point of message boarding.
1) You don't have any "rights" here
2) You're free to discuss your desired topic on pretty much any other thread on this message board
3) The issues you're attempting to bring up have proven time and again to become much more broad, and more heated, which is precisely why I'm keeping them off this thread

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1012 on: March 11, 2022, 04:11:42 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 11, 2022, 04:03:52 PM


To avoid the police, lots of sovereign nations have demands made on them all the time. When they are at a disadvantage militarily, they often get invaded. So what is special here?

nothing special but when it happens the invading country is at fault and completely unjustified

Are you still receiving your checks from Moscow with the sanctions and everything? Hope so dont want you to go hungry
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1013 on: March 11, 2022, 04:13:35 PM »
This censorship is snowflakey, no?

It's not at all about blaming the US for anything.  
It's also not US bashing.

Why do you guys strawman any idea you don't like and turn it to 11?

From the Putin point of view, not in reality, but in his wonderland of WTF, he can compare what he's doing to what the US did with Iraq.  That's the simple point being made.  

Stop pretending like it's a crime against your eyeballs.  Grow up.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1014 on: March 11, 2022, 04:16:25 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 11, 2022, 04:11:13 PM
1) You don't have any "rights" here
2) You're free to discuss your desired topic on pretty much any other thread on this message board
3) The issues you're attempting to bring up have proven time and again to become much more broad, and more heated, which is precisely why I'm keeping them off this thread

If you don't like it, call the manager and ask for your money back
Actually this is illuminating. I have things I'd like to express. You have things you'd like to express, or suppress. But you have a stick and I don't. So you use it.

Yet we are actually asking why this invasion is happening? Why wouldn't it? Russia keeps saying the same things over and over and doesn't seem to get anywhere with their words. That they use their stick seems foreseeable.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1015 on: March 11, 2022, 04:23:00 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 11, 2022, 04:16:25 PM
Actually this is illuminating. I have things I'd like to express. You have things you'd like to express, or suppress. But you have a stick and I don't. So you use it.

Yet we are actually asking why this invasion is happening? Why wouldn't it? Russia keeps saying the same things over and over and doesn't seem to get anywhere with their words. That they use their stick seems foreseeable.
I haven't seen anyone dispute that what Putin has done was foreseeable.

That doesn't make it acceptable.

Which is the point many are making.

And since this thread is about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and not USA's military actions in Afghanistan or anywhere else, that's what we're discussing here.
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« Reply #1016 on: March 11, 2022, 04:24:07 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 11, 2022, 04:11:42 PM
nothing special but when it happens the invading country is at fault and completely unjustified

Are you still receiving your checks from Moscow with the sanctions and everything? Hope so dont want you to go hungry
Apparently we are sending money and weapons to Ukraine. Whatever Moscow sends me would probably just be rerouted anyway. Is the proper border of Ukraine going to affect me or you in any way? Why are we risking world economic problems for it?
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1017 on: March 11, 2022, 04:24:44 PM »
OK, it foreseeable, by some maybe.  I didn't foresee it personally.  Someone could have clued me in on that.

Why now?  Why not last year or the year before or next year?  Was there some urgency to cleanse Ukraine of Nazis?

I think "we" don't know these answers.  I don't, beyond speculation.  It doesn't seem to be going well for the Russian forces from what we can glean.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1018 on: March 11, 2022, 04:26:27 PM »
A world where countries are able to "adjust" borders with weaker neighbors sound dangerous to me.  In the fairly distant past, that has been the case, and the results were not good.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1019 on: March 11, 2022, 04:31:14 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 11, 2022, 04:23:00 PM
I haven't seen anyone dispute that what Putin has done was foreseeable.

That doesn't make it acceptable.

Which is the point many are making.

And since this thread is about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and not USA's military actions in Afghanistan or anywhere else, that's what we're discussing here.
Yeah, and my point is that American foreign policy directly impacts Russia's choices here. Both diplomatic and military actions have been pretty aggressive, which in turn affects how Russia sees this action. If the point is made that Ukraine is a sovereign nation and so poo on Putin, then you delete every post about other sovereign nations getting invaded, it's not much of a discussion.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1020 on: March 11, 2022, 04:32:34 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 11, 2022, 04:26:27 PM
A world where countries are able to "adjust" borders with weaker neighbors sound dangerous to me.  In the fairly distant past, that has been the case, and the results were not good.
Well, the world where they can't adjust borders also appears problematic.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #1021 on: March 11, 2022, 04:36:43 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 11, 2022, 04:31:14 PM
Yeah, and my point is that American foreign policy directly impacts Russia's choices here. Both diplomatic and military actions have been pretty aggressive, which in turn affects how Russia sees this action. If the point is made that Ukraine is a sovereign nation and so poo on Putin, then you delete every post about other sovereign nations getting invaded, it's not much of a discussion.

I've readily agreed that invading sovereign nations is bad no matter who is doing it.

So now can we get back to the thread topic?
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