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« Reply #980 on: March 11, 2022, 12:23:19 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on March 11, 2022, 11:04:01 AM
Yeah, one quarter of negative GDP, and only in the most pessimistic scenario...

I feel that the direct impact of the Russia situation may not be, on its own, enough to cause a US recession. But it certainly seems like the US economy is balancing on the head of a pin right now, particularly with interest rates so low in the face of inflationary pressures...

Interest rates go up; cost of borrowing [and servicing debt] goes up, housing market crashes, and brings a hell of a lot more down with it.

I worry the Russia situation, which might not be enough on its own to hurt us, pushes us over the tipping point.
Exactly.  And the fed has no choice - as we approach double digit inflation, but to raise rates multiple times during this coming year.

When economic things get really really hard, like in Russia or Europe or United States, that’s when the risk of irrational military moves becomes the greatest and that is what I fear the most here
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« Reply #981 on: March 11, 2022, 12:43:37 PM »
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« Reply #982 on: March 11, 2022, 12:49:03 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 11, 2022, 12:13:03 PM
What the US does previously is immaterial to any justification of this invasion.  This was wrong, and I'm delighted we're hammering the Russian economy.
It is not immaterial. It is quite material.
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« Reply #983 on: March 11, 2022, 12:49:53 PM »
Well, if you think prior US behaviors and mistakes justify Putin's invasion, fine with me.

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« Reply #984 on: March 11, 2022, 12:54:41 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 11, 2022, 12:49:53 PM
Well, if you think prior US behaviors and mistakes justify Putin's invasion, fine with me.


yep bombing maternity hospitals all caused by the US obviously
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« Reply #985 on: March 11, 2022, 12:55:31 PM »
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« Reply #986 on: March 11, 2022, 12:56:07 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 11, 2022, 12:49:53 PM
Well, if you think prior US behaviors and mistakes justify Putin's invasion, fine with me.
Justify is probably a loaded word with little meaning here.
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« Reply #987 on: March 11, 2022, 12:58:21 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 11, 2022, 12:56:07 PM
Justify is probably a loaded word with little meaning here.
How about insinuate?

Is that also a loaded word?
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« Reply #988 on: March 11, 2022, 12:59:08 PM »
Explain why prior US actions are relevant to this invasion?

The US does it too?  OK, got it, thanks.
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« Reply #989 on: March 11, 2022, 01:41:10 PM »
We're pretty hypocritical, yeah.  And that affects how our messaging is received.  It's all connected.  It all matters.  


So it's best to not attack a completely separate country when you're attacked by a tiny group of ass hats from a different one.  
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« Reply #990 on: March 11, 2022, 02:23:47 PM »
I am an intelligent, rational human being.  I can both dislike and disapprove of past US military action, and also dislike and disapprove of the current situation in Ukraine. 

The difference, is that one is the topic of this thread, and one is not.

If you would like to talk about past US military actions there are plenty of places other than this thread to do so.

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« Reply #991 on: March 11, 2022, 02:40:12 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 11, 2022, 02:23:47 PM
I am an intelligent, rational human being.  I can both dislike and disapprove of past US military action, and also dislike and disapprove of the current situation in Ukraine.

The difference, is that one is the topic of this thread, and one is not.

If you would like to talk about past US military actions there are plenty of places other than this thread to do so.


Custer was in the wrong damn it

oh wait never mind
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« Reply #992 on: March 11, 2022, 02:45:06 PM »
who knows where the real truth lies but interesting just the same


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O14sJulqlE
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« Reply #993 on: March 11, 2022, 02:49:34 PM »
There are OSINT groups all over the interwebs verifying Russian equipment losses that are occurring by way of destruction, abandonment, and Ukrainian farmer theft.  The Ukrainians taking pictures are intentionally getting views of the identification numbers of all vehicles, when not damaged beyond al recognition.  So I tend to believe the running numbers for Russian equipment loss-- if anything they're probably low because Ukrainians aren't taking pictures and publishing every single item taken/destroyed.

The numbers for troop losses are far less concrete, for obvious reasons.
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