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MrNubbz

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« Reply #826 on: March 08, 2022, 10:07:16 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 07, 2022, 10:20:56 PM
Yep, they'll get right on that.
I'm sure that's the 1st thing Vlad thought about - "Let's get the rules straight"
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« Reply #827 on: March 08, 2022, 10:15:16 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on March 08, 2022, 09:22:11 AM
I fear a global recession or even depression is possible if not likely, as well as an escalation which drags us into serious military action.
This Admin has the chance to do something substantial,let's hope they shock us and do something worthwhile and I hope your post is inaccurate but fear that is not the case.
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« Reply #828 on: March 08, 2022, 10:20:47 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 07, 2022, 03:46:23 PM
Analysis: Vladimir Putin's clumsy military campaign in southern Ukraine makes little sense - CNN
Analysis: Vladimir Putin's clumsy military campaign in southern Ukraine makes little sense - CNN

I found this interesting (and yes, it's CNN, but I think they do have some good correspondents mostly overseas).

The guy is perplexed by what the Russians are doing, and he's there apparently.

Reading this brief yet worthwhile account (and yes, it’s CNN), Russia’s military is walking into its own ruins, even if most of their soldiers, Lord willing, return alive and well to their motherland. With so many (SO MANY!) Russian ground vehicles abandoned, inflamed, wrecked, and destroyed, it’s worth wondering whether their Army has the equipment to be an occupational border threat to most anyone else any time soon. As the 2003 Iraq invasion settled into its initial days, the Army wasted no time tripling their vehicle budget as carcasses of smoldering Humvees and Infantry Strykers quickly mounted along the dusty roadsides. Russia is neither doing this nor has the means too.

More importantly, one of our last hopes of stopping the Putin tyranny dead in its tracks is if the Russian public rises up against their government. My hopes for this happening aren’t high. Russians are historically too obedient and fearful toward their long lineage of tyrants. But it’s almost as if Putin invaded Ukraine without a strategy, as though the act of invading was the goal rather than any stated ensuing objective.
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« Reply #829 on: March 08, 2022, 10:21:03 AM »
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« Reply #830 on: March 08, 2022, 10:21:24 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on March 08, 2022, 10:15:16 AM
This Admin has the chance to do something substantial,let's hope they shock us and do something worthwhile and I hope your post is inaccurate but fear that is not the case.
this admin just took a massive step to insuring there will be higher inflation and the possibility of an economic recession or even depression. no one should have any faith in this administration. 
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« Reply #831 on: March 08, 2022, 10:24:49 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 08, 2022, 10:21:24 AM
this admin just took a massive step to insuring there will be higher inflation and the possibility of an economic recession or even depression. no one should have any faith in this administration.
If you're talking about banning Russian oil imports, I don't blame this current administration specifically.  I would ask for, and expect the same of, any administration, in the same situation.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #832 on: March 08, 2022, 10:27:52 AM »
This thread is not about Saudi Arabia.

Stop it.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #833 on: March 08, 2022, 10:27:56 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 08, 2022, 10:21:24 AM
this admin just took a massive step to insuring there will be higher inflation and the possibility of an economic recession or even depression. no one should have any faith in this administration.
It's not some massive step, it's a minor change from what already was reality.

And largely for political optics.  They can't pretend to be buying Russian oil right now no matter the cost.  And in fact, very few were buying anyway, and those who were were looking hard for immediate alternatives.  Europe however is in a bind, they are way behind.

Companies were going to stop buying on their own, and many already had.
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« Reply #834 on: March 08, 2022, 10:33:21 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 08, 2022, 10:27:56 AM
It's not some massive step, it's a minor change from what already was reality.

And largely for political optics.  They can't pretend to be buying Russian oil right now no matter the cost.  And in fact, very few were buying anyway, and those who were were looking hard for immediate alternatives.  Europe however is in a bind, they are way behind.

Companies were going to stop buying on their own, and many already had.
Yeah, so this is not exactly true. 8% of all US oil imports come from Russia. That's not an insignificant amount. And the US was still importing Russian oil, after Russia's invasion with Ukraine. It never stopped. Now it will. By action of executive action. And this will not be the only country which does this. The US is the leader of the West. If we do this, others will follow.

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« Reply #835 on: March 08, 2022, 10:34:37 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 08, 2022, 10:27:56 AM
It's not some massive step, it's a minor change from what already was reality.

And largely for political optics.  They can't pretend to be buying Russian oil right now no matter the cost.  And in fact, very few were buying anyway, and those who were were looking hard for immediate alternatives.  Europe however is in a bind, they are way behind.

Companies were going to stop buying on their own, and many already had.

Yes.  Our dependence on Russian oil is minimal.  It's a logical and necessary step that theoretically should cause minimal damage to our own economy.  Obviously there are a lot of variables.
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« Reply #836 on: March 08, 2022, 10:39:01 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 08, 2022, 10:34:37 AM
Yes.  Our dependence on Russian oil is minimal.  It's a logical and necessary step that theoretically should cause minimal damage to our own economy.  Obviously there are a lot of variables.
nearly 10% of US oil imports is not exactly minimal. And it's not logical nor necessary. And if we do this, others will follow. If oil supply is artificially restricted prices will go up. For everyone. India and China cannot possibly make up the slack even if they buy at massive discounts. 

If Netherlands, Germany, South Korea, Japan, Italy, and a host of US allies follow suite it could make things bad. And my guess is they will, seeing as most of these countries typically follow America's lead. 
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #837 on: March 08, 2022, 10:39:52 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 08, 2022, 10:27:52 AM
This thread is not about Saudi Arabia.

Stop it.
Yeah, well no shit. 

But to pretend the two things are not similar and related and to not point out the rampant hypocrisy is comical.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #838 on: March 08, 2022, 10:41:45 AM »
Russian oil imports were going to near zero without anything else happening.  It's a nonissue, political optics.

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« Reply #839 on: March 08, 2022, 10:42:12 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 08, 2022, 10:39:01 AM

nearly 10% of US oil imports is not exactly minimal. And it's not logical nor necessary.

And if we do this, others will follow. If oil supply is artificially restricted prices will go up. For everyone. India and China cannot possibly make up the slack even if they buy at massive discounts.

If Netherlands, Germany, South Korea, Japan, Italy, and a host of US allies follow suite it could make things bad. And my guess is they will, seeing as most of these countries typically follow America's lead.

The first portion is your opinion and I disagree. 

The second part is likely, and I still consider it to be necessary.  You can, and have, disagreed, which is fine.  It's not about to change my mind but good luck to you.

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