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Cincydawg

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #784 on: March 07, 2022, 11:08:03 AM »
Time To Kiss The MiG-29 Goodbye (forbes.com)

From 2020.  Says Poland has 30 of them, the older types.
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« Reply #785 on: March 07, 2022, 11:12:48 AM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #786 on: March 07, 2022, 11:55:03 AM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #787 on: March 07, 2022, 12:08:49 PM »
The thread topic is Ukraine.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #788 on: March 07, 2022, 12:10:05 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 07, 2022, 11:55:03 AM
No surprises here:


https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1500874610740498436?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1500874610740498436%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FKyivIndependent%2Fstatus%2F1500874610740498436%3Fs%3D2026t%3DcPKjmn9InjsB0OKOLGoRDA
Yeah no surprise and very predictable. 

EU citizens already pay some of the highest prices in the world for gasoline and diesel at the pump. I believe they are still banning oil from Iran. If they started banning oil from Russia, the already ridiculously high prices they pay for gasoline would probably just skyrocket.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #789 on: March 07, 2022, 12:16:28 PM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #790 on: March 07, 2022, 12:20:14 PM »
Putin has announced many times what his actual terms are, and those aren't it.

I believe we can take him at his word when he says he plans to "de-nazify" and "de-militarize" Ukraine.  What that means, of course, is kill the current Ukrainian government, replace it with a Russian puppet government, and replace Ukraine's military with friendly Russian "peace-keeping" force.

I won't speak for Ukraine, it's their country and it's up to them to decide, but I don't see them accepting those terms.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #791 on: March 07, 2022, 12:21:56 PM »
They may accept those terms at the point of a bayonet eventually.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #792 on: March 07, 2022, 12:25:31 PM »
I doubt it.  If Russia can't be convinced to withdraw, then I believe they're all in for a protracted insurgency.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #793 on: March 07, 2022, 12:26:48 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 07, 2022, 12:16:28 PM
Seems like a no-brainer?


https://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1500810351192985600?s=20&t=QhbUBCeUKFlrGl2PkdTe3A
NATO thing seems like a legit gripe. EU thing is massive over reach. Ukraine is NUTS to want to join the EU imo. Basically giving up your sovereignty to an unelected body in Brussels- and giving up control of your currency is de facto giving up your sovereignty. UK was smart to never adopt the Euro and even smarter to leave the EU. 

They should make a compromise for crimea come up with a way to govern it jointly and guarantee Russia they can have their naval base and Eastern Ukraine should reunite with Ukraine. But part of me also thinks that if certain regions of a nation want to break free from said nation they should be allowed to.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #794 on: March 07, 2022, 12:31:38 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 07, 2022, 12:25:31 PM
I doubt it.  If Russia can't be convinced to withdraw, then I believe they're all in for a protracted insurgency.


Probably so, but by then Ukraine would have fulfilled the above obligations anyway.
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« Reply #795 on: March 07, 2022, 12:33:28 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 07, 2022, 12:31:38 PM
Probably so, but by then Ukraine would have fulfilled the above obligations anyway.
Not willingly, which is kind of the point.  These aren't terms for peaceful resolution, they're Putin's ultimatum for complete control.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #796 on: March 07, 2022, 12:35:25 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 07, 2022, 12:26:48 PM
NATO thing seems like a legit gripe. EU thing is massive over reach. Ukraine is NUTS to want to join the EU imo. Basically giving up your sovereignty to an unelected body in Brussels- and giving up control of your currency is de facto giving up your sovereignty. UK was smart to never adopt the Euro and even smarter to leave the EU.

They should make a compromise for crimea come up with a way to govern it jointly and guarantee Russia they can have their naval base and Eastern Ukraine should reunite with Ukraine. But part of me also thinks that if certain regions of a nation want to break free from said nation they should be allowed to.
so if Ukraine agreed to that what have the Russians accomplished for all the crap they have to wade through
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #797 on: March 07, 2022, 12:45:48 PM »
I think Russia finally prevails in Ukraine, and sticks their government in place.  It will be a festering sore, but it won't be joining NATO/EU and that Quiskling government will agree to loss of Crimea et al. and probably more.
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