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I still don't know what anyone expects the UN to be able to do here, even if Russia is not on the SC.  The main body voted against the invasion recently, and?

Nada.

I don't know what anyone expects NATO to do about this either beyond being on alert and trying to send stuff to Ukraine.  There must be an open link from Kyiv west that is still open, I expect that to get closed soon, if not already.

this. not much either one can do. UN has no teeth and Ukraine isn't a NATO member. 

NATO's essential and enduring purpose is to safeguard the freedom and security of all its members by political and military means. Collective defence is at the heart of the Alliance, as set out in Article 5 of the Washington Treaty. NATO's greatest responsibility is to protect and defend Allied territory and populations against attack in a world where peace and security cannot be taken for granted.

Deterrence is a core element of NATO's overall strategy: preventing conflict and war, protecting Allies, maintaining freedom of decision and action, and upholding the principles and values it stands for – individual liberty, democracy, human rights and the rule of law. Free societies and the rules-based international order need to be backed by credible transatlantic defence.

NATO's capacity to deter and defend is supported by an appropriate mix of nuclear, conventional, and missile defence capabilities, which complement each other, and is underpinned by an array of civil and military resources to support these capabilities and the posture more broadly. NATO also maintains the freedom of action and flexibility to respond to the full spectrum of challenges with an appropriate and tailored approach.


https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_133127.htm

Yeah, the core concept is peace through strength of collective power.  Putin likely understands an attack on NATO would not go well for him, judging from how his forces have looked thus far.  Unless he's crazy.

the core concept and the entire reason for the Washington Treaty was to prevent Soviet incursion into Western Europe. Soviet Union has been long dead. Instead of disbanding it outright or reimagining it from a military alliance into a political one- US kept expanding it east, stupidly.

NATO existed, and it added 4 more countries (Greece, Turkey, Spain, and Germany) before the fall of the Soviet Union. Cool, fine. Soviet Union died, NATO should've basically died with it. All this expansion has been no good for anybody- certainly not America. Call me crazy, but I don't think a single dollar of American treasure or one drop of American blood is worth defending little insignificant shitbag countries like North Macedonia, Montenegro, Croatia, Albania, Slovenia, Slovakia, and all the other akia, ias, and anias in Eastern Europe thousands of miles away from the USA. It's really not our f**king problem. We have enough crap we need to fix here.

The idea is to prevent a war, much as having 2nd ID in South Korea is meant to prevent a war there.  I like that idea, as a concept, it's not always fulfilled of course.

This thread isn't about American politics in South Florida.  Stop it.  You're like 5-year-olds only not as clever.

Putin's already said he considers the sanctions tantamount to an act of war. 

What's he gonna do about it?  Start a nuclear war that eradicates him and everyone else he's ever know from the face of the planet?

Good luck with that.