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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #672 on: March 05, 2022, 09:03:42 AM »
the most expensive option?

and then have them all shot down in 24 hours
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« Reply #673 on: March 05, 2022, 09:08:38 AM »
the most expensive option?

and then have them all shot down in 24 hours
The most effective option.  It doesn't matter anyway.  They need allies and apparently don't have any "besties" - just countries like us tossing change at them while stopped at the red light.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #674 on: March 05, 2022, 09:20:21 AM »
Maybe I'm wrong, but if I was a poor country or not, my first military purchase would aircraft.
Aircraft are the most expensive items you can buy, and maintain, and train pilots, etc.  Poor countries will not have much of an air force.  

A single guy on the ground with a fairly cheap Javelin missile can take out an armored vehicle with little training.  Why do it from the air?

This is why the US wanted several times to shelve the A-10 and why the Marine Corps has gotten rid of its main battle tanks.  Armor isn't what it used to be, it's somewhat akin to battleships in 1942, they look impressive but have limitations.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #676 on: March 05, 2022, 01:24:52 PM »
State Department advises Americans in Russia to leave.  Duh.

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« Reply #683 on: March 05, 2022, 03:06:23 PM »
eye witness report from insurgency in Ukraine 


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« Reply #684 on: March 05, 2022, 03:54:07 PM »
The addictive spectacle of Russia’s WWII style invasion of Ukraine is over. After a week of immersing myself in however many raw videos of gun fighting, air sirens, leveled city squares, stalled convoys, interrogations of captured Russian soldiers, refugees piling onto trains, and the Ghost of Kyiv I’m moving into the stage of subdued mourning for all the lives senselessly lost from civilians to Ukrainian fighters to Russian fighters marched to their death by their corrupt government.

My Polish grandmother's side is all from Lviv before WWII when Lviv was part of Poland. When the Russians invaded they had a saying that “everything bad comes from the East” because the Russians both occupying Poland/Ukraine and those in Russia where my grandmother was eventually imprisoned were noticeably more backwards, openly drunk, impoverished, lawless, corrupt, impoverished, hostile to Catholicism, and uneducated compared to the rest of Europe. Guess we’re all having to again witness “everything bad comes from the East.”

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #685 on: March 05, 2022, 04:30:57 PM »
It is a shocking tragedy in this day and age, of course, "we" are not really so civilized in reality in this day and age.

The Nazis had a tough time with Ukrainian partisans, and Kiev was a stone in their shoe for a time also.

 

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