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« Reply #658 on: March 04, 2022, 07:34:59 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 04, 2022, 07:20:28 PM
US is just one country though. Oil is a worldwide market. I want to say OPEC (of which Saudis are largest producer and largely control) produces around 40% of worlds oil. They are going to be the single largest influencer of oil prices.

A Presidents ability to get the Saudis/OPEC to do what he wants probably has more effect over the price of oil than US increasing or decreasing production. Trump was a master at getting the Saudis to do what he wanted them to do when it came to that.
Im thinking the US could actually aid Europe after its demands are met

I agree Saudi could ease the pain if it wanted to

Maybe we make a defense deal or weapon deal with them to increase the oil flow

not sure just brainstorming
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« Reply #659 on: March 04, 2022, 07:43:59 PM »
US is not interested in Russian "regime change" aka war with Russia. 

America's top diplomat Antony Blinken says the US is not looking for regime change in Moscow.

Speaking to BBC World News, the secretary of state said "it is absolutely not up to us", calling on the Russian people to hold their own leadership accountable for the war.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60532634

Zelensky is now blasting NATO for not implementing a no-fly zone.

Reportedly speaking from his office in Kyiv, Zelensky condemned Nato leaders' refusal on Friday to establish a no-fly-zone over his country.
Zelensky said: "All the people who die, starting today, will also die because of you. Because of your weakness, because of your disconnection."
He continued: "The Nato summit took place today. A weak summit. A confused summit. A summit that shows that not everyone considers the fight for freedom for Europe the number one goal.
"All the intelligence agencies of the Nato countries are well aware of the enemy's plans. They confirmed that Russia wants to continue the offensive.
"Nato has deliberately decided not to close the skies over Ukraine. Nato countries created a narrative that closing the skies over Ukraine would provoke Russia's direct aggression against Nato.
“This is the self-hypnosis of those who are weak, insecure inside, despite the fact they possess weapons many times stronger than we have."
Zelensky later addressed large protests taking place across Europe, telling demonstrators: "If Ukraine does not survive, the whole of Europe will not survive.
"If Ukraine falls, the whole of Europe will fall."

Yeah, or not. If Ukraine falls, nothing falls, well except for Ukraine. And maybe, just maybe y'all shouldn't have bought into US/NATO's bullsh*t hook line and sinker? You guys pushed and pushed and pushed hard to join, especially post 2014 coup- and they never let you in. Should come as no surprise they aren't going to come to your defense now- as they haven't let you in for fourteen years and weren't about to anytime soon. I'd argue all the people who die, will die because of Russia...more specifically Vladimir Putin's Russia- not NATO.


https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/ukraines-deadly-gamble
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« Reply #660 on: March 04, 2022, 10:19:06 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 04, 2022, 03:39:37 PM
Russia is now blocking social media (twitter and Facebook) in Russia.


Man if we could just do that in the US
we could, it's very simple
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« Reply #661 on: March 04, 2022, 10:37:02 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 04, 2022, 10:19:06 PM
we could, it's very simple
tell me more comrade
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« Reply #662 on: March 04, 2022, 11:00:28 PM »
had a box in my office that could easily block facebook or twitter from all 4500 users on my network

I REALLY wanted to use it

the ISP that served our network and the majority of the state of Iowa had the same type of appliances

CALEA compliant appliances that can track anyone's internet usage if a judge issues a warrant

https://www.allot.com/service-providers/

most ISPs have this ability

I'm positive the main providers in the nation have the means - it's a federally regulated requirement
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« Reply #663 on: March 04, 2022, 11:09:02 PM »
Commercial subnetworks can and do.  They are tightly controlled for obvious reasons.  That's not at all the same thing.

ISPs could but the legality of that is debatable.  Beyond that, suffice to say that in a free market, it would be a pretty bold move to cut off your customers from the content they are paying money to receive.  Not gonna last long that way.

And of course the mainstream ISPs aren't the only way to access global networks in the USA. 

Not that I'm saying anyone should go out and do anything... questionable.


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« Reply #664 on: March 04, 2022, 11:22:54 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 04, 2022, 11:00:28 PM
had a box in my office that could easily block facebook or twitter from all 4500 users on my network

I REALLY wanted to use it
The push back from the Golf Coverage alone would have sent you packing
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« Reply #665 on: March 04, 2022, 11:40:33 PM »
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« Reply #666 on: March 05, 2022, 12:22:41 AM »
This is kind of on Ukraine.......they don't arm themselves at a national military level AND they don't get into the "friends who help friends" club.  

Ehhhh, not a good combination.


How do they not have some sort of air defense????  It's unfathomable that another country can have a 40-mile long military caravan just driving around inside your country.  That should be a bombing exercise set on "easy" for air support defenses.  I mean damn.  
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« Reply #667 on: March 05, 2022, 07:51:55 AM »
Attacking that column would require air attack assets, like A-10s, which they do not have, they have air defense apparently, some S-300 systems and some fighters still operational apparently, but so does Russia.  And the column apparently is not moving.  One report stated that the head of the column had been taken out, perhaps by Javelins, so it can't move and it's muddy off road.

I don't know what is meant by if Ukraine didn't arm themselves at a national military level.



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« Reply #668 on: March 05, 2022, 08:36:21 AM »
Arms are pouring in from European countries and the US, right?  
Which means they didn't have what they needed to defend themselves.  Zero air attack assets makes my brain melt.
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« Reply #669 on: March 05, 2022, 08:43:24 AM »
Ukraine is a very poor country by western standards, they simply lack the money for much military spending.  The best ground attack assets for the money are helos.  Helos don't do well in an environment with AA missiles all around.  Russia has ten X the military spending and assets.  Most of the help to Ukraine has been antitank missiles like Javelins and NLAWS (and basic munitions).

We can't very well send in F-16s and A-10s.
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« Reply #670 on: March 05, 2022, 08:49:20 AM »
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« Reply #671 on: March 05, 2022, 08:54:50 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 05, 2022, 08:43:24 AM
Ukraine is a very poor country by western standards, they simply lack the money for much military spending.  The best ground attack assets for the money are helos.  Helos don't do well in an environment with AA missiles all around.  Russia has ten X the military spending and assets.  Most of the help to Ukraine has been antitank missiles like Javelins and NLAWS (and basic munitions).

We can't very well send in F-16s and A-10s.
Maybe I'm wrong, but if I was a poor country or not, my first military purchase would aircraft.
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