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rolltidefan

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #644 on: March 04, 2022, 02:38:08 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 04, 2022, 02:09:26 PM

i almost included this data from russia, but it's all over the place compared to other imports, which are relatively steady. both trump and biden seemed to increase russian imports during their tenures, though i suspect biden's will look significantly different by the time he's out of office after these events, lol.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #645 on: March 04, 2022, 02:42:52 PM »
Presidents don't "increase" imports.  Their actions may impact imports, but the actual importation is done by private companies like Marathon et al.

Presidents in my view have a lot less control over such things than most think.  They like to "partisanize" by pointing to bad/good things that happened while their guy was out of/in office when their guy often had little to do with the thing.

Current US oil production is ahead of every year except 2019, and we're close to 2019.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #646 on: March 04, 2022, 02:44:59 PM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #647 on: March 04, 2022, 02:47:30 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 04, 2022, 02:42:52 PM
Presidents don't "increase" imports.  Their actions may impact imports, but the actual importation is done by private companies like Marathon et al.

Presidents in my view have a lot less control over such things than most think.  They like to "partisanize" by pointing to bad/good things that happened while their guy was out of/in office when their guy often had little to do with the thing.

Current US oil production is ahead of every year except 2019, and we're close to 2019.


agreed 100%. tried explaining this (actually gas prices, but connected concept) to my daughter yesterday. best analogy i could think of was how a qb gets waaaaayyyy too much credit for wins and too much hate for losses. they have a significant impact on it, sure, but it's rarely their direct doing.
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« Reply #648 on: March 04, 2022, 03:02:40 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on March 04, 2022, 02:35:44 PM
this isn't really true. the us started weening off saudi oil under obama, but did not keep up trend. trump did drop them more, and more significantly. but biden has, so far, kept it at roughly same (technically lower, but only slightly) than trump levels. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIMUSSA1&f=M
annual barrels of oil, in thousands



Obama shut off oil exploration from federal lands and put various other roadblocks in place to slow down US oil exploration

Trump opened up federal lands to oil exploration and did various other things to increase US production

Under Trump the US became a net oil exporter for the first time in 75 years
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« Reply #649 on: March 04, 2022, 03:11:22 PM »
This isn't a discussion of Ukraine, so please stop, thanks.

I consider eliminating Russian oil imports to be a good thing given the current geopolitical environment and needs to sanction Russia in their war against Ukraine, and I'd be happy to see it carried through.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #650 on: March 04, 2022, 03:39:37 PM »
Russia is now blocking social media (twitter and Facebook) in Russia.


Man if we could just do that in the US
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« Reply #651 on: March 04, 2022, 03:49:50 PM »
I'm now deleting posts again.

Nobody wants to hear your political rants on this thread.

Ukraine is the topic.

Thanks in advance.

Edit: The "your" political rants referenced above, is used collectively, not specifically toward any one poster.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #652 on: March 04, 2022, 06:55:34 PM »
"I'll take, Americans are stupid for $400" 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-americans-broadly-support-ukraine-no-fly-zone-russia-oil-ban-poll-2022-03-04/?taid=622279289fa2ce00010f85ca&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

A broad bipartisan majority of Americans think the United States should stop buying Russian oil and gas and work with NATO to set up "no-fly zones" to protect Ukraine from Russian air strikes, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll completed on Friday.

The poll, conducted Thursday and Friday, suggests that U.S. outrage is growing over Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which in recent days has increasingly involved Russian bombing of urban areas.


Some 74% of Americans - including solid majorities of Republicans and Democrats - said the United States and its allies in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization should impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine, the poll found.

An equally bipartisan 80% of Americans said the United States should stop buying Russian oil. The White House on Friday said it was weighing cuts to U.S. imports of Russian oil, though it is proceeding cautiously, concerned about a spike in gasoline prices that would add to high inflation.


Let's start WWIII and nuclear armageddon, and exacerbate already record levels of high inflation! AMERICA! F**K YEAH! 
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #653 on: March 04, 2022, 07:02:49 PM »
we should not impose a no fly zone however I feel strongly we should increase our oil production to offset loss of Russia oil and stop importing oil from Russia
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #654 on: March 04, 2022, 07:06:14 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 04, 2022, 02:42:52 PM
Presidents don't "increase" imports.  Their actions may impact imports, but the actual importation is done by private companies like Marathon et al.

Presidents in my view have a lot less control over such things than most think.  They like to "partisanize" by pointing to bad/good things that happened while their guy was out of/in office when their guy often had little to do with the thing.

Current US oil production is ahead of every year except 2019, and we're close to 2019.
Presidents definitely have a lot of control over many things. You're probably right though, they do get too much credit or blame- they aren't dictators. But they can also have huge effects on the price of oil. They can limit or increase drilling permits, pause oil leases or encourage more oil leasing - policy decisions that would affect the production and therefore supply. 

They can also use their skills as negotiators to see if they can get Saudis/OPEC either ramp up or ramp down their production depending on US needs- as the previous guy did pretty successfully when he needed the Saudis/OPEC to increase production in 2018 and then when he needed them to cut production in 2020.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #655 on: March 04, 2022, 07:06:54 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 04, 2022, 06:55:34 PM

An equally bipartisan 80% of Americans said the United States should stop buying Russian oil. The White House on Friday said it was weighing cuts to U.S. imports of Russian oil, though it is proceeding cautiously, concerned about a spike in gasoline prices that would add to high inflation.




I would have no problem with this if a plan was presented to the public in detail
We can ramp up production now and state that as of a certain future date we will stop importing oil from russia
if they remain in Ukraine
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #656 on: March 04, 2022, 07:09:58 PM »
Presidents can and have taken action to cause the US to increase oil production and with a ban which they can do the result would be the same
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #657 on: March 04, 2022, 07:20:28 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 04, 2022, 07:09:58 PM
Presidents can and have taken action to cause the US to increase oil production and with a ban which they can do the result would be the same
US is just one country though. Oil is a worldwide market. I want to say OPEC (of which Saudis are largest producer and largely control) produces around 40% of worlds oil. They are going to be the single largest influencer of oil prices.

A Presidents ability to get the Saudis/OPEC to do what he wants probably has more effect over the price of oil than US increasing or decreasing production. Trump was a master at getting the Saudis to do what he wanted them to do when it came to that.
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