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utee94

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« Reply #616 on: March 04, 2022, 08:00:26 AM »
Hopefully some of those oligarchs can get to Putin.  One way or another.
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« Reply #617 on: March 04, 2022, 08:02:55 AM »
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« Reply #618 on: March 04, 2022, 08:03:48 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 03, 2022, 11:55:48 AM
If it's true that Putin is very ill.. why would he care if the World was blown to pieces? That would be his legacy, and probably one he would love to leave.
The is what has me most worried. 
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #619 on: March 04, 2022, 08:09:41 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 04, 2022, 08:00:26 AM
Hopefully some of those oligarchs can get to Putin.  One way or another.
Or vice versa.  I assume Putin knows where the possible threats to his control are, and has plans if they materialize.  I would wonder about my security were I a Russian billionaire right now.
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« Reply #620 on: March 04, 2022, 08:20:26 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 04, 2022, 08:09:41 AM
Or vice versa.  I assume Putin knows where the possible threats to his control are, and has plans if they materialize.  I would wonder about my security were I a Russian billionaire right now.
I'd be surprised if those in his inner circle don't understand this, intimately.  I don't think this is any more or less true than it has been for years, aside from Putin being slightly more crazy than he used to be.

Those guys know exactly how Putin came into power, how many murders and genocides occurred along the way.  Many of them helped him get there.  

They know.
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« Reply #621 on: March 04, 2022, 08:27:59 AM »
They know, certainly, but a few could be plotting a cabal even so, and Putin might off them if they do and he learns of it.  Might = would.

They could be confident in their security, or not.  I can't get into their minds at this point, they are seeing considerable loss i quality of life.  How would they react?  Are they insulated from everything?  Maybe.

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« Reply #622 on: March 04, 2022, 08:31:28 AM »
Some have probably always wanted power for themselves anyway.  I'd imagine some of them have had long-term action plans to off Putin.  Many of these guys are just as bad as he is.  There's no guarantee his replacement will be any better.

We can only hope his replacement values his own life and wealth enough NOT to endanger it with nuclear war.
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« Reply #623 on: March 04, 2022, 08:31:37 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 04, 2022, 07:46:11 AM
‘They’re scared’: Wealthy Russians look to sell U.S. real estate everywhere from Fisher Island to Billionaires’ Row (msn.com)
Yeah so this would typically be pretty bad for US luxury real estate market which is typically $2 million and up. 

But since Covid strange thing has happened, it’s been mostly domestic buyers driving those kind of sales and making record breaking sales prices.
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« Reply #624 on: March 04, 2022, 08:36:50 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 04, 2022, 08:31:28 AM
Some have probably always wanted power for themselves anyway.  I'd imagine some of them have had long-term action plans to off Putin.  Many of these guys are just as bad as he is.  There's no guarantee his replacement will be any better.

We can only hope his replacement values his own life and wealth enough NOT to endanger it with nuclear war.
That’s definitely a legit fear/concern. If Putin is gone and we have crippled the Russian economy and crushed the people- those people in desperation may turn to someone even worse.
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« Reply #625 on: March 04, 2022, 08:38:10 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 04, 2022, 08:09:41 AM
Or vice versa.  I assume Putin knows where the possible threats to his control are, and has plans if they materialize.  I would wonder about my security were I a Russian billionaire right now.
Actually when Vlad came to power he imprisoned a few of them.And what i read at the time confiscated the "goods"
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« Reply #626 on: March 04, 2022, 08:40:25 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 04, 2022, 08:36:50 AM
That’s definitely a legit fear/concern. If Putin is gone and we have crippled the Russian economy and crushed the people- those people in desperation may turn to someone even worse.
"WE" wouldn't have done shyt it was the collective if that scenario takes place.Just hope the whack doesn't start pushing buttons
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« Reply #627 on: March 04, 2022, 08:47:23 AM »
I think it was only a matter of time.  The video evidence of Russian atrocities is just too compelling for the world powers not to be moved by it.  I hope the oligarchs and other inner circle leaders understand that this spells the end of them and their families and everything they've ever known, if it comes to pass.   And I hope they do something to stop it.  It might or might not be within their power, but it's very close to the point where if they can't stop it, nobody can.



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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #628 on: March 04, 2022, 08:56:05 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 03, 2022, 06:11:24 PM
I wonder if we might hear of a couple Russian oligarchs dying in the next week or so.
Wouldn't surprise me.  I would also expect that Putin to announce that they were traitors and confiscate their wealth.
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