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utee94

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #574 on: March 03, 2022, 02:55:38 PM »
If there is a cease fire "soon" (within two weeks say), how much of Ukraine might be left when it's all over?

will Ukraine go for that?
If they agree to concessions on territory they know they'll never get it back.  That makes it pretty tough to come to terms.


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« Reply #576 on: March 03, 2022, 02:59:47 PM »
the scary thing is- this is the closest we have been to that actually being a possibility since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

I thought the Cold War ended in 1991.
I was in the 6th grade during the Cuban MC and the biggest difference between then and now is that the general public really was not that concerned in 1961

In school there were no drills for duck and cover

If we had the technology of today we might have been

course with todays tech I dont think the Russians would have even tried something like that
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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« Reply #577 on: March 03, 2022, 03:04:39 PM »
ceasefires have been attempted with Minsk I & II. Both sides violated. According to the UN, from 2018-2021, 81.4% of civilian casualties in the conflict in Donbas came in rebel-held territory. 16.3% were in Ukrainian gov't controlled territory. 2.3% in "no mans land" that neither side controlled. link


Anything they can do to try to stop the current death and destruction, I'm all for.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #579 on: March 03, 2022, 03:09:02 PM »
I read the President Finland is an IKEA employee.  He's still assembling his cabinet.

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« Reply #581 on: March 03, 2022, 03:19:25 PM »


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« Reply #583 on: March 03, 2022, 03:29:16 PM »
Belarus must also be held accountable now.

Do they have anything worth sanctioning?
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« Reply #584 on: March 03, 2022, 03:37:39 PM »
a) Belarus must also be held accountable now.

b) Do they have anything worth sanctioning?
a) they are being held accountable vis-a-vis Russia. Crippling Russian economy cripples them. 

b) not really. lol. 

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« Reply #585 on: March 03, 2022, 03:37:55 PM »
yeah, so as bad of a rap as we get here in the US, and we have our problems for sure.....racism in Europe is way worse than it is in the US, anybody who has spent a significant amount of time over in Europe already knows this. There have been many reports that bordering states like Poland, Hungary, and Bulgaria have tried to restrict minority refugees fleeing from inside Ukraine or have been giving Ukrainians (ie...white people) preference and letting them in first. There were roughly 16,000 African students studying in Ukraine at the start of the war, and many tens of thousands more living there permanently- and many have been restricted by bordering states from even entering their countries. 

Some of these remarks by European leaders are flat out disgusting


"These are not the refugees we are used to... these people are Europeans," Bulgarian Prime Minister Kiril Petkov told journalists earlier this week, of the Ukrainians. "These people are intelligent, they are educated people. ... This is not the refugee wave we have been used to, people we were not sure about their identity, people with unclear pasts, who could have been even terrorists..."


Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki also said: “We will accept anyone who needs it. The Ukrainian society gets more afraid and stressed. We are ready to accept tens, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees.” This is while his country continues to deny entry to mostly Iraqi, Afghan and Syrian migrants and asylum seekers on its border with Belarus. The irony of European nations taking in refugees created by Russia’s aggression while shutting out those generated by their own invasions and occupations is apparently also lost on them.

Ton of reports on it, linked some below for anyone who wants to read...



https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we-rise/2022/03/03/the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-shows-racism-has-no-boundaries/
https://time.com/6153276/ukraine-refugees-racism/


https://www.npr.org/2022/02/28/1083423348/europe-welcomes-ukrainian-refugees-but-others-less-so
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/03/europe/racism-border-ukraine-un/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/mar/02/people-of-colour-fleeing-ukraine-attacked-by-polish-nationalists

should come as no surprise though, seeing as how they treated and still treat Syrian refugees, and the really crazy/ironic part about that one is that it was US/NATO bombing the living shit out of that country created many of those refugees fleeing war in the first place.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #586 on: March 03, 2022, 03:42:27 PM »
chief exports of Belarus are Fertilizer and cheese
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #587 on: March 03, 2022, 03:45:29 PM »
chief exports of Belarus are Fertilizer and cheese
wouldn’t have guessed either lmao.

 

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